100NL thoughts on playing it different?
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100NL thoughts on playing it different?
BB: $323
CO: $120.16
BN: $212.92 (Hero)
SB: $112.84
CO: $120.16
BN: $212.92 (Hero)
SB: $112.84
Preflop
($1.50)
(4 Players)
Hero was dealt
8
9
CO folds, Hero raises to $3, SB folds, BB calls $2
CO folds, Hero raises to $3, SB folds, BB calls $2
Flop
($6.50)
T
J
Q
(2 Players)
BB checks,
Hero bets $2.50,
BB calls $2.50
Turn
($11.50)
5
(2 Players)
BB checks,
Hero bets $7.30,
BB raises to $20,
Hero calls $12.70
River
($51.50)
7
(2 Players)
BB bets $34,
Hero raises to $68,
BB folds
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The only thing I would do differently is bet larger on flop and turn. If you know something about villain - like he reacts poorly to small bets and might spaz out, then thats fine but in general there are a ton of hands in your range that want to bet larger so I would bet larger w/ this as well.
great point
Just curious but why did you choose that flop sizing?
I 3bet turn to around $70. Reasons below.
1. I wouldn't think he has a lot of bluffs in his c/c c/r range on this board so I don't see that much merit in calling to let him bluff rivers. I think he probably has a value hand here and the only value combo that we lose to is K9 and we have a 9 blocker and some people do not defend K9o in the BB. I am discounting AK because most people 3bet it pre.
2. Their is a lot of bad rivers that either he catches up and beats us on or that kill our action. Q,J,10, Diamond, K,A,9 are all not great rivers for us. I know we have a FD but if he wants to get stacks in on a diamond river I am not too pumped about our 9 high flush.
In summary I just think there is more value to be had in raising the turn then in letting him bluff or over value his 2 pair. Obviously this is subject to change due to the villians tendencies.
1. If we 3bet the turn raise, what bluff combos do I have that I would do this with?
2. for this stack depth I dont think I want to face a 4bet as this will be ackward for the SPR remaining.. if this hand started full stack then ofcourse Im not hating a 4bet from villain.
3. Villain my shut down alot of hands that I would want him to continue with..
however if this is a cooler I am missing out on value.
1. Axdd but I don't think I would be too worried about balance here. I would be more worried about him believing that I can have bluffs here than actually having bluffs. If he believes you can have Axdd or other semi bluffs then he is calling turn with his 2p combos and may call rivers on blanks.
2. Wouldn't his 4bet be all in? I would just snap call his jam. If you raise to $70 and he calls the pot will be 150ish with around 140$ left in your stack seems like a good SPR to me.
3. What hands are you talking about? 2 pair combos? I think you get more value out of the 2 pair combos on the turn because he might not be able to fold and any river above a 7 or a diamond he is shutting down anyways.
Also if he doesnt 3b JJ,1010 pre then he is never folding those on the turn but might check fold them on bad rivers.
If he has a bluff range here then I can see merit to calling turn but I don't see this line as a bluff too often on boards like these.
some good points..however I think he is shutting down with his two pairs if I 3bet the turn..
When I call I think I gain a extra bet with his thin value B/f lines or bluffs (if he has any) on the river. like he did in the game..
Perhaps he would continue with his 2 pair combos to a 3 bet..Ill have to keep watch for a spot like this where the Turn is 3bet and see what he contiunes with in the future.
You win $34 when he bet folds or bluffs the river, you win $50 from a turn call alone and possibly $200 if he jams JJ,1010 or calls and calls blank rivers.
He can fold 2 pair on the turn some times but he also doesn't always bet every river.
I would guess he has to fold 2 pair combos 100% of the time or be a spaz with a lot of bluffs in his range here to make the turn call more +EV then raising.
I dont know the frequency of which he will fold his 2 pairs..you may be correct though that it is not often enough to make calling the highest EV play.
bb not sure about sizing the turn raise to 70bb from his 20bb,looks to big and allows him to fold hands we want him to continue with easier.
Yeah could make it smaller to get calls from all his 2 pair combos.
Which Combos of Two Pair do you see c/calling the Flop and c/raising the River?
If he has sth as QJ, why should he delay his c/raise on the turn instead of c/raising right on the Flop to get more Value and to protect?
I dont see him c/raising with Two Pair on the turn, so imo the line is great.
So you think he has bluffs here or you think he only has sets and no 2 pair?
Saying he is not c/r 2 pair on the turn still doesn't make this line great. I would be even happier that he doesn't have 2pair combos and now he has JJ,1010, and Monster draws like Axdd KJ that he is never fold to the turn 3 bet.
What would make calling turn great is if he has a lot of bluffs in his range, which imo he doesn't. I do not see people take c/c c/r on a board like these with low equity bluffs like A5 or A10.
I wouldnt be sure that he is c/calling the flop to c/raise the turn as well.
I normally see Villain either c/raising right on the flop or c/cing both streets with two pair/sets. However, obv. our hand is way to strong to fold, so this is a pretty clear calldown on binks/FD's for me.
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