50NL SB 77 bvb, cbet ch/call 753tt Qtfc K (two tone, tt. turn flush card, tfc)
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50NL SB 77 bvb, cbet ch/call 753tt Qtfc K (two tone, tt. turn flush card, tfc)
UTG: $50
HJ: $48.50
CO: $93.45
BN: $77.98
SB: $68.86 (Hero)
BB: $50
HJ: $48.50
CO: $93.45
BN: $77.98
SB: $68.86 (Hero)
BB: $50
Villain becomes seemingly more solid as session progresses. His blind versus blind defend seems tighter.
Preflop
($0.75)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
7
7
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $1
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $1
Flop
($3.00)
5
3
7
(2 Players)
Hero bets $2,
BB calls $2
So already i have options to cbet or check. I'm not sure of villain's stabbing freq. when checked to just yet. I'm not sure how often he will play back at me or float. So i decide to simply bet myself without knowing much about how he will play versus a check.
Turn
($7.00)
Q
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BB bets $5.25,
Hero calls $5.25
I wasn't unhappy to see this card because at the time i felt he has plenty of other hands when he calls the flop besides flush draws.
Bet or check? I felt i captured more bets by allowing him to rep the flush
Bet or check? I felt i captured more bets by allowing him to rep the flush
River
($17.50)
K
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BB bets $13.12,
Hero calls $13.12
hmm, this looks serious. His stats don't suggest he will simply fire away but this is one of the more reasonable spots to keep bluffing.
i'm not sure how thin he value bets, could he have KcQ here or a two pair with KcX perhaps?
i'm not sure how thin he value bets, could he have KcQ here or a two pair with KcX perhaps?
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I think ch/c turn is good idea bvb coz in this spots usually floats going at much wide ranges, so by ch/c you can take value from his bluffs. But if you not sure can he did thin value bets here or just bluff river w hands like AcX i think here can be option to donk river, not so much and play donk/fold, coz flushes will go raise and other just call. It will be much cheap than ch/c coz you bet you own bet for this SD, and also can be thin valuebet from you vs hands like KcX.
How might i go about balancing this line? I haven't constructed bet-check/call-lead ranges
Id just bet the turn again, I think he has lots of hands with a pair that are going to call you again, but arent necessary going to bet. Also seems kinda odd for you to bet this flop and not bet the turn, I mean maybe you get some bet out of a hand like 98 or K4s, but I dont think he just has a ton of pure air floats.
super easy river call, hes got worse sets and 2 pair and can also just have bluffs
I think I prefer betting the turn here but once you check the turn you're going to have to call down on non 4 flush runouts otherwise your calling range is basically non existant once you check.
I think the ranges in bvb are too wide to c/c the turn. We got a ton of value in a bet.
If we dont bet the turn with a set in a bvb then what do we bet?
Sure he have some of the time a flush, but most of the time he has a lot of weaker stuff like pair + draw etc. For me its a mandatory bet.
If i'm BETTING the turn here with a set and face a raise, how would i proceed?
If i CHECK the turn, what hands might i lump into a check/call range?
If i'm BETTING the turn here with a set and face a raise, how would i proceed?
Call. You'll sometimes have the best hand and have outs to improve when you don't.
If i CHECK the turn, what hands might i lump into a check/call range?
Mostly bluff catchers with the occasional flush. Stuff like a pair and a flush draw works well in situations like this.
Thanks James
To be more precise with my ranges, (so that i can work towards being balanced here in future)
What would be the 'worst' best hand that would bet/call here?
If i take a check/call line with pair+ flush draw i'm sure i would want the nut- or 2nd nut flush that would mean i would be cbetting with variations of AcX KcX however i don't have K7o K5o and K3o in my SB opening range. Although i do try open *A in the SB, in practice i struggle to play my weak Ace rag hands out of position - so i don't auto-raise them blind versus blind until i know more about how the BB plays, so technically i may not have A3o A5o A7o either, A8+ would be an auto-open regardless of the BB player tendencies. What other pair+flush draw hands could i use?
i do have KcQ QJc QTc in my range that turn a pair, but then they need to be in my cbetting range. Would you take a bet, or check/call line with those? Would you take a check/call line with 88-JJ:c, what about 66 or 44:c. i'm trying to get an idea of what i'm doing with different hands
Which flush might you choose to check with? i'm thinking about how having the nut flush blocker might work against us as villain may use that nut blocker as part of his hands to float/bluff with. So if i slowplay with my nut flush villain may have less 'weak' or bluff hands that he may decide to continue or play back at us.
Sorry for all the questions, i can use your answers to learn to build ranges for other spots too.
With regards to check calling the turn, I wouldn't get too caught up in how strong your flush draw is that goes with your pair because a decent amount of the time when you hit it the pot will get checked down. Also, it's tough to say which hands should be bet vs which hands should be checked because a lot of that is going to be opponent specific. The more often your opponent calls down the lighter you should likely go for value and the more floaty he/she is the more often you should check to induce. You can also probably get away with check/calling weaker hands against players who seem passive on later streets (low wwsf, low turn/river cbet etc). Hope that helps a little.
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