50NL Basic preflop question QQ SB vs MP 4bet?
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50NL Basic preflop question QQ SB vs MP 4bet?
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players)
BN: $91.54
SB: $57.79 (Hero)
BB: $53.20
UTG: $48.50
MP: $58.61
CO: $50.00
SB: $57.79 (Hero)
BB: $53.20
UTG: $48.50
MP: $58.61
CO: $50.00
Preflop
($0.75)
Hero is SB with
Q
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Final Pot
MP wins $10.98
Is this an easy shove because villain is aggro pre? or can I call the 4bet without any reads and am I not going against AK/AA/KK if I shove? villain was playing 30/23 and 3bet of 12 over 50 hands
I 3bet for value offcourse but don't like to call the 4bet as I am OOP, but shoving I don't like either so I am confused what to do in this spot.
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Should be a 3bet/call 4bet easilly.
Looks like they are competent to at least be 4betting with the best hands but also some bluffs and maybe overdoing it!
In my opinion we 3bet call 4bet and play check/shove vs big sizings and check raise vs small sizing on all boards that exclude A/K on them, sometimes you get snapped by aces but you'll often get a street or two from bluffs and sometimes get it in on the flop vs AK anyway.
I would also add I opt to call flop MORE vs villains with high cbet flop and high cbet turn otherwise if they give up turn too often with bluffs they see 5 cards for one bet.
Hope this helps, cheers.
thank you Scoopkid for the answer, yes I wanted to call the 4bet but I was unsure next I will call the 4bet OOP and play accordingly.
Solvers typically recommend a mix of about half call and half shove.
There’s merits to both:
shove and you capture value from TT and JJ and some AK, Axs and also defend your 3b range. (If he never 4b bluffs and is 4b only AK, JJ+, a shove is +EV vs folding).
Call - it’s not the most premium hand and you’ll be behind but you can play pretty well vs hands you beat postflop. Idea is aa or kk will stack you either way but you can get in good otherwise (check shove In favourable boards Vs agro players that will Cbet to take a stab seems good). Problem is that in position he can play a lot of hands you beat pretty perfectly too and some of his funky bluffs that would’ve shoved will gain equity.
Solvers assume ppl play perfectly. People obviously don’t. But imo it’s good to know the theoretical starting point and adjust from there. Given his aggro frequencies, especially his high 3bet, I’d assume he’s not playing a super tight 4b range (no bluffs, Ak, kk+ which is still very close).
thank you Lewis Harkes for the answer, I agree if you understand the theory better then I have a better starting point I will take this into consideration and this should have been a call at least (yes I do believe he 4bets with A2s A3s A4s type hands even if he is in MP)
my pleasure LaMente! - just Lewis is fine :)
Yeah, that would be my thought too. My assumption would be that someone opening and 3betting that wide is very likely to be defending his ranges similarly, i.e. with 4bets. If you shove, all the times he folds (or calls) with his wheel Axs and T9s etc you scoop ~$19 and it really boosts your equity and offsets the AA and KK that it feels we always run into in this spot.
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