50 NL Zoom - What river line should I take as played?
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50 NL Zoom - What river line should I take as played?
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players)
BN: $218.09
SB: $28.03
BB: $80.22 (Hero)
UTG: $50.00
MP: $107.39
CO: $50.72
SB: $28.03
BB: $80.22 (Hero)
UTG: $50.00
MP: $107.39
CO: $50.72
BN is 27/9/14 over a 11 hands - no previous history of aggressive actions post flop
SB is 50/50 over 4 hands
So essentially no reads at all
SB is 50/50 over 4 hands
So essentially no reads at all
Preflop
($0.75)
Hero is BB with
A
7
, , ,
I like my call here getting 5-1 with a hand which can make nutted hands against a deep opponent.
Flop
($3.00)
J
2
J
, , , , ,
I like my check raise but would like to know what people think of my sizing here, I intend on barrelling most turns with this sizing. At this stage I felt BN was likely cbetting a very high% of his range and had lots of fold equity, I am probably just letting my hand go to a 3-bet as I don't think I'm maximising my implied odds OOP and there are serious reverse implied odds this deep, am I being too tight here? After the button calls I think he has most pocket pairs, some A highs, some 2x probably only A2s and K2s really, Jx although mostly weaker ones, flush draws and some floats.
Turn
($13.00)
J
2
J
4
,
Again I feel the bet is good, how is the sizing? When the villain calls I think his range contains a lot of Jx, 22, some flushes and some stubborn probably bigger pocket pairs. I guess if he decided to float with KQ with a heart he might find a call here too.
River
($28.00)
J
2
J
4
8
What line should I take on the river? Also am really interested to hear thoughts on my sizing, villain did not think particularly long nor snap-make any decision.
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I dont like the xR otf, I'd just xc
Reasons are kind of hard to formulate, I'm tired, but basically I'd guess that villain has somewhat significant range advantage here, esp if we 3b wider for value preflop. Which means that we should be careful when taking aggressive action. I dont think that we should have xR range, but I could be persuaded otherwise. Even if we xR, I think that xRaising way more polarized is superior (essentially weaker FDs and 22?)
Or a more exploitative/practical argument, you're not getting anything better to fold and you're bloating the pot vs a wide and unpredictable range with possibly dead hand.
/irrelevant theory/
This possibly changes if you flat AJ/KJ preflop, which I guess is an option given the stack size, but then again this villain doesnt look like the kind who would use the stack depth to put pressure on us, so we probably can get away with squeezing wide for value, which in turn means that BN has a lot more relevant Jx in his range otf, which guts our range and prevents us from being too aggressive.
/end irrelevant theory/
Flop x/r makes no sense, he has a huge range advantage and is cbetting a bunch of worse flush draws so youre turning sdv/potential cooler into a bluff and fold out his worse flush draws, not to mention you have SB to worry about and he might be flatting J9s+suited broadways.Dont like the sizing as well, too small.
As played bet bigger turn, x/r river to get more value from all of his flushes.
Interesting river plan. Do you think he would XB Jx sometimes? (because it's a disaster if he does :D)
Also, what bluffs can we have with this line? Thanks as always :)
Check raise river ? I think if we check raise river he will show only full house... What do you think ?
He doesnt really have many fhs.
Thanks guys, this is really helpful.
Np, feel free to hit that like button :).
@Taz, yeah he def will check Jx if hes good (fold it to a bet as well) and b/f some flushes but hell b/c decent% while hell never raise w/o the nut flush (maybe even w/o fh), so we can dont really lose value.
For bluffs i guess we can have some AhXx but it`s kamikaze line none the less so would just avoid it.
I think I flagged this by accident trying to like it! I now can't seem to unflagging it.
Yeah that's why I was asking - I would probably bet all my AhXx combos for the exact reason you mentioned - I don't want him to XB here - same for OvP + FD type of stuff (I'd say he can easily peel the flop because of how little we rep).
So, the more likely he is to bet/call baby flushes + sticky Jx sometimes, the more often we should go for a XR, and if he's likely to XB Jx and b/f baby flushes, just bet ourselves and go for explo XR w/ AhXx type of stuff?
Does that make sense or am I completely off? :D
Xr on flop is fine and good with this combo. You will have some hands that want to Xr here and having nut flush draw is a good hand to balance with. Sizing is fine too, as I don't expect a ton of immediate fold equity on this board. I would size down on turn to keep range as wide as possible and bet same proportion on river. River is a mandatory bet given the range you assume he gets here with. We are getting smashed here when we check, as he auto-checks his showdown value and his betting range of hh+ has us in bad shape.
Ok this was pretty much my thinking at the time in this hand although it doesn't seem to be the consensus view. In reality I bet 18 and he snap jammed for 48 more into a pot of 46 minus rake. I tank folded. Any thoughts?
I'd also c/c flop and c/r some worse fds (< K-high). I like the idea of checking river because his J's and flushes will likely bet. Not sure how many J's actually should bet since we called in the blinds we probably have J9+ and he has some weaker suited Jacks.
I definitely agree that the c/r makes no sense because he has a huge range advantage in this spot which makes me think it may be bad to do it with any fds but as you don't have any hands with him, I'm going to assume you're a reg and he's a weaker hand reader.
I would not Xr worse fd here, as he is never folding NFD, which should make up a significant portion of his continuing range when we don't block it. This will make a lot of run outs very difficult to play, due to poor visibility. As I said, this is why I like Xr nfd for balance purposes.
and snap fold to jam on river. If this guy is good enough to turn a J into a bluff to fold out non-FH with that price, then just don't play him heads up 4 rollz (unless he's bad enough to jam a flush for value).
The more i think about it though...the more I might call R. He doesn't have a ton of obvious FH+ combos. two 22 and one JJ. Maybe J8s for a total of 5 combos. If he's jamming Khh we might have a breakeven call...if he's jamming any Qhh, this is a slamdunk call. Meh... I lean towards a call now, given our price. But if u size smaller on turn and river, we might be inclined to fold.
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