50 NL Zoom - KK fold on the river

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50 NL Zoom - KK fold on the river

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $50.00
SB: $51.66
BB: $64.41
UTG: $59.18 (Hero)
MP: $74.78
CO: $102.28
I got no stats on villain.
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BN calls $1.50, 2 folds
Flop ($3.75) 8 5 6
Hero bets $2.21, BN raises to $6.85, Hero calls $4.64
Villain could do this with all kinds of draws. For value he can obv have all sets here as well as maybe some strong 1 Pair + SD hands. (87s, 76s)
Turn ($17.45) 8 5 6 Q
Hero checks, BN bets $11.83, Hero calls $11.83
The Qs obv doesn't improve any of his draws. I decide to call and decide on the river.
River ($41.11) 8 5 6 Q 8
Hero checks, BN bets $29.82 and is all in, Hero folds
Pretty bad card even though it reduces villains set combos. If he was bluffing with the FD he just got there,
Final Pot BN wins $39.26
Rake is $1.85

So is this the standard way to play this? What if the river blanked?

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Knoxox 10 years, 1 month ago

Against an unknown I'm folding flop or turn. But yeah definitely fold the river as he can't really have a lot of bluffs.

klamsauce 10 years, 1 month ago

If we call the flop and fold the turn we should just fold the flop as the Q is essentially a brick. Seems fine as played.

ohgodwhy 10 years, 1 month ago

Not necessarily since we can continue on diamond turns and he might also give up on some. He also doesn't rep much except sets because he shouldn't have many 2p or straights in his preflop range. To me it looks like we should also rather c/c KK if we're not willing to b/c. I agree that it's an ugly spot if raised though.

AlwaysAK 10 years, 1 month ago

i wouldn't hate check callinf flop and turn if u mix in some of ur suited connectors in that play the same way ( if u open those utg). as played folding turn

sauloCosta10 10 years, 1 month ago

Folding flop seems weak because villain has lots of combo draws he would play this way. One relevant argument is that you hold the Kd, which decreases the possible flush draws for villain. But still I think you played it fine

extra_medium 10 years, 1 month ago

I'd fold flop and hate it. villain is unknown and we are oop where half the board is gonna be awful for us. our equity vs his range isn't great and considering all the other elements I think folding the flop is fine. Yeah it's technically exploitable and feels super weak but we are talking about an unknown so who cares.

meh just noticed you have Kd. I guess it's closer but I still don't like it.

Cozacu 10 years, 1 month ago

TBH I think I`m going to consider x/calling much more often in such spots... based on experience.

If you bet/call flop, you are most likely going to give up on either turn or river... unless the board completely bricks...

I think that especially vs unknown is better to x/call or just fold to the raise and forget about it.

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