4bet pot- unsure about flop
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4bet pot- unsure about flop
Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BTN: 120 BB
SB: 103.8 BB
BB: 189.6 BB
UTG: 120 BB
Hero (MP): 120 BB
CO: 120 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has KhAh
fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 10.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 27.5 BB, SB calls 17 BB
Flop : (56 BB, 2 players) Jc 5s 2c
SB checks, Hero bets 17 BB, SB raises to 76.3 BB and is all-in, Hero ?
Villian is a "reg" 23/20/11 1k, but it's nl10 so i am unsure of his calling range preflop.
OTF i unblock flush draws and it seems like he shouldn't have a CR range in this spot?
JJ is the only value combo he "should" have here?
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I expect a flattingrange in SB vs a 4bet of MP to be quite narrow if he is some sort of reg. So maybe like TT+/AQs/AK sometimes.
Not even sure if we should take any SCs or really Jx-combos into account. But if we look at the EV of AK vs the defined range, AK will perform not that well....So this could maybe be a close call GTO-wise, but vs the NL10-population i would simply fold this:
You are btw. near the bottom of your range i guess as you might 4bet some KJs or A2s-A5s that would even be in better shape here i guess.
4 bet is really big.
Oncehe XRaises check you equity vs his range and check if you have enough equity. Dont include hands like JJ in his range because those aren't in a X/jam range. This X/jam is representing a a hand that needs protection like QQ or AJ.
You would be surprised but I've seen regs x/jam or raise jam a cbet with top set in 3bet/4bet pots at this limit.
A good sizing here?
i guess that's my OOP sizing by mistake, maybe 22.5?
I think you can go between 23-25bb. I like 23bb ip
Like you said its 10nl and I've seen regs calling 4bets in this spot wider like QTs, T9s are a few examples that come in my mind. More realistic his range looks like 99-QQ,AQs,KQs, AKo. Otf I would go for 1/4 with range on this boards, but I dont think there is a big difference between 14bb and 17bb. I dont think that he should have a calling range 100bb deep and he should play 5bet or fold.
What about hands like AKo, AQs, AJs, JJ, TT, 99 or KQs? And what about AA some times?
If the 4bet size was smaller I think we can argue a call, but when he goes big and being oop I would play 5bet or fold. And if we take in consideration the tight 4bet ranges of regs in this position, at this limit it becomes even closer I think. Might be wrong.
I agree that we should be tighter against such a large 4bet but I still think that there is room for a few strong hands that have decent equity against that 4bet range but not enough equity to 5bet all-in. And in order to protect that "capped" range we can still sometimes call with AA or KK.
I might be wrong as well.
I see a lot of regs in my 10nl pool not 4beting QQ and AKo in btn. And the pool has a 4bet around 4% and 3bet around 6%. In my pool I m gonna be really tight in this spot. Might be wrong :))
I think that considering the tight ranges of both players it is ok to fold AhKh there, and only continue with KK+ and flushdraws (AcKc, Ac5c, Ac4c) Since your own 4-betting range is likely also a bit too tight compared to gto frequencies you are probably not over-folding by letting this go. As both player ranges get wider this hand can become a call.
I recommend c-betting smaller in 4bet pot (1/4 pot) and also, 4betting a couple bb less pre-flop.
Thanks to all for the comments.
I was thinking in game on this board villian's range is unbalanced to bluffs because
I will flat some JJ+, in villains spot, but i am not gonna be playing them that way on this dry ass flop.
I called it off and he showed AcQc and we held.
I dont really like the call. You need like 28% to break even if my math is correct. I've put him a range AcQc,AJs,QQ 3 combos (maybe he 5bets some, calls some), JJ 1 combo (lets say he play sometimes JJ like this), AA 1 combo, KK 1 combo and you need 26.30% against this range and the rake is a factor too.
I think there is no question this is a fold but preflop is fine id make it 25bbs though he could have AA KK QQ JJ AKcc KQcc AQcc and imo you are drawing stick thin vs his value he never ever has a bluff in this spot and you have zero BD door equity
Pre is kind of too big.
Post flop, I am betting like 20% or checking back this flop (checking back more often with AKhh and AKdd).
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