4bet 88 and call a shove!

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4bet 88 and call a shove!

Is this play to loose? i have some reads on the sb, the guy love to 3bet, and last few hand i start 4bet a lot. he was a crazy player, so its ok to call in this situation?

Full Tilt - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $89.55
BB: $50.25
UTG: $50.00
MP: $48.25
CO: $80.55
Hero (BTN): $64.45

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has 8s 8d

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, SB raises to $5.00, fold, Hero raises to $12.50, SB raises to $89.55 and is all-in, Hero calls $51.95 and is all-in

Flop: ($129.40, 2 players) 3h Qc 9h

Turn: ($129.40, 2 players) 6d

River: ($129.40, 2 players) 8h

SB shows Qs Kh (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 46%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows 8s 8d (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 54%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins $126.40

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maco 12 years, 1 month ago
If I have a dinamic of 3bet/4bet with the villain,I'm definitely stackoff w 88 in bvb,I don't like calling with 88 oop,because if he's agresive we will often play a guessing game on the flop when an overcard hits.
WM2K 12 years, 1 month ago
Its btn vs sb maco. This is a bit dodgy 128 blinds deep. Im not sure how wide his 3 bet needs to be and how wide he needs to shove but this deep its quite high. At 100bb he needs to be 3 betting i think 16% or so for you to get it in with 88 and b/e no matter what he does. As a default even vs a aggro player I would call the 3 bet. However your reads where correct this time as he was prepared to ship it in very lite himself so probably was at least ok given the dynamics. 4 bet fold is nt an option though. 4 bet bluffing with pocket pairs is pretty tragic.
Elgatonegro99 12 years, 1 month ago
With the btn I think calling is much better. You have to be sure that he is capable of5bet jamming light. A lot of players just won't do that.
Teddy 12 years, 1 month ago
I like it if he is the type to 3bet 22-77 looking to shove them.
James Hudson 12 years, 1 month ago
Even if he was the type to 3 bet/5 bet any pair and AQ/AK we're barely a favorite at 51.5% and that's giving him a crazy wide 5 betting range of 8.3%. In reality, even if someone does 3 bet/5 bet 22-77 I'd venture to guess that they don't do it 100% of the time or their frequencies become way out of line. Also, we almost certainly make money by flatting the 3 bet preflop so it's not like we HAVE to 4 bet or fold.
Teddy 12 years, 1 month ago
Dont get me wrong, i dont mond calling, but it sounds like they have a pretty crazy dynamic and the giy is 3 betting 20-25%+, so ill expect more equity/fe than you.. He will have axs, 65s rype hands for the ai sometimes too.

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