4b pot A4s SBvBB

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4b pot A4s SBvBB

Blinds: $1.00/$2.00 (5 Players) BB: $203.00
UTG: $170.53
CO: $232.77
BN: $202.47
SB: $201.00 (Hero)
Preflop ($3.00) Hero is SB with 4 A
3 folds, Hero raises to $5.24, BB raises to $18.00, Hero raises to $48.00, BB calls $30.00
Flop ($96.00) 5 9 7
Hero bets $32.07, BB calls $32.07
Turn ($160.14) 5 9 7 Q
Hero checks, BB bets $122.93 and is all in, Hero folds
Final Pot BB wins $157.39
Rake is $2.75

Villain is a 27/20/7 3betin bbvsb 13% Fto4b 44%.

Seems pretty atractive to just shove any face card OTT and also shovin 2x,3x or 6x OTT. What do you guys think?

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DatpKay 7 years, 5 months ago

Do you have data on his 5bet range or %?!

Intuitively I feel this is a bad spot to even cbet w/o a backdoor club, since I think his flattingrange probably is something like 99+ w probably quite a bit TT-QQ/(KK) shoves, 56-89s, tons of AJs-AKo, and some JT-KQ suited and some off.
Agree or am I off here?

So I see little to no FE and a ton of calls from him when you shove face cards on the turn.

so IMO c/f flop and as played c/f turn, especially with the Q favouring him on average I think

vayne 7 years, 5 months ago

Which stats do you use to construct a 5b callin range vs villain on your hud?

Agreed with all that you said. Is just that im almost cbetin 100% when i 4b maybe thats just a big leak

DatpKay 7 years, 5 months ago

U mean 4b callingrange?!
HEM allows you to show 4b-RANGE as % (so, as an absolute, not a relative stat) and the same for 5b%

So lets say villain has ~13% 3b vs you bvb and ~1,9% 5b and now hes calling your 4b he's probably weaker than if his 3b BB % is 7 and his 5b% ~1,1 and now he flats.

I agree with usually cbetting close to 100% .
I am not a PIO expert or something in this situation.

vayne 7 years, 5 months ago

Yes, i meant that.

So, which are the "rules" or characteristics that a flop should have in relation to your hand for you to start cbetin 100%? or do you sometimes cbet 100% on X flops that doesnt even matter your holdin?

DatpKay 7 years, 5 months ago

Well, I mean... your bet(s) should alway accomplish something, shouldn't they?!..

And in this spot with your hand I just feel it accomplishes nothing really since no better hands will ever fold and no worse hands will ever call

ouch787 7 years, 4 months ago

I generally don't like 4b Hands like this simply because we are holding a hand that can be dominated. If an A comes on the flop you will have a tough time getting away from the hand. His 3b stat does warrant a 4b I just feel like there are many better hands to do this with like medium pocket pairs and suited broadways. When it comes to 4bing we want to be able to effectively tell a story of us holding AA KK that looks convincing. That said you want to avoid cbing and then xing turn because it caps your range and makes you exploitable. I feel like you didn't have a thought out plan when you decided to 4b here.

It's very easy to get caught in the moment of a 4b and make a mistake that compounds itself as we go from street to street. I think you decide on the flop whether or not you are going to take this all the way. In this case it would have been better to x the flop and see what villain does. Some may disagree but I feel like xing the flop after a 4b doesn't turn your hand as face up as cbing flop and xing turn.

Bingo 123 7 years, 4 months ago

The cbet seems marginal to me
This turn its attractive to shove, when he has TT,JJ those can fold.
His TJs floats have to fold, his 89s type hand may fold as well.

ouch787 7 years, 4 months ago

suited broadways are great hands to 4b as they can flop well. We can also 4b hands that make our range deceptive like 9Ts. Obviously don't do this regularly just for deception.

Paid_To_Laid 7 years, 4 months ago

don't 4bet this hand at 100bb SB vs BB, call, you are going to retain more with a call blah blah blah,
anyways there is no reason to cbet this hand, it is shit, IP still will have AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT at some reasonable frequency if they are playing correctly, also 99, also 77, also 55, also other hands that interact with this board texture relatively well.
anyways optimally taking this line on flop with bdfd and shoving turn at some frequency on a 2-4 or flushdraw seems reasonable.

QueenOfCups 7 years, 3 months ago

We can call A4s SB v BB profitably, I prefer to use a hand with better better blocker effects and less play ability as 3b caller. KJo, ATo. If I do 4b suited Ax then I will use A7 or A8s which blockers some of BB 4b call or 5b shove range (i.e 77/88)

QueenOfCups 7 years, 3 months ago

We can call A4s SB v BB profitably, I prefer to use a hand with better better blocker effects and less play ability as 3b caller. KJo, ATo etc. If I do 4b suited Ax then I will use A7 or A8s which blocks some of BB 4b call or 5b shove range (i.e 77/88)

QueenOfCups 7 years, 3 months ago

We can call A4s SB v BB profitably, I prefer to use a hand with better better blocker effects and less play ability as 3b caller. KJo, ATo. If I do 4b suited Ax then I will use A7 or A8s which blockers some of BB 4b call or 5b shove range (i.e 77/88)

Live_your_dreams85 7 years, 2 months ago

I personally like flatting here SB vs BB 13% 3bet
I feel if you are going to 4bet here OOP I would size slightly larger so that he can not call as wide IP.
As played with no hud stats on fold to cbet frequency, I would prob check fold with no BDFD

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