44 set on dry board

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44 set on dry board

UTG: $10.96
HJ: $9.89
CO: $10
BN: $10 (Hero)
SB: $16.02
BB: $10.62
Preflop ($0.15) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 4 4
UTG raises to $0.20, HJ raises to $0.40, CO folds, Hero calls $0.40, SB raises to $2, BB folds, UTG calls $1.80, HJ folds, Hero calls $1.60
Flop ($6.55) T 4 3 (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks
Turn ($6.55) T 4 3 J (3 Players)
SB bets $3.80, UTG folds, Hero raises to $8, and is all in, SB calls $4.20

Sb 22/20 af 3.5        3b SB 14.3 / SQ 0    136 hands

UTG 100/36     30 hands

PF = Is my PF call correct? 

Flop = standard on that dry board, wanting to let them catch something, especially UTG

Turn = not much left to do but shove. 


1.Do you agree with PF call? 

2.Would you play the hand differently post-flop if you called PF?


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Zoty79 10 years, 5 months ago

i think the oddas for hitting a set is 7:1. So you lose 7x 1,60= 11,20   and win 1x 10 Dollar. So its a losingplay. There is a rule of thumb, that says, wenn need 20x of preflopraise, to make the play profitable. For instance somebody raises to 0,30 (x20) =6 Dollar. So if he or we have 6 Dollar left in our stack, than the play is profitable. The reason for that is, if you hit your set, you are not going to stack villain every time.

Zoty79 10 years, 5 months ago

that is HU where we have a third player? Do you mean Heads Up? And then, when he stacks of light, what is, you dont have the odds!

Cozacu 10 years, 5 months ago

I meant the rule 20/call is for the scenarios where you are heads`up. Which here is clearly not the case. With a 3rd player in the hand (who will stack off lightly) your implied odds are larger... you could effectively win 200BB if you stack of both players. Although that is highly unlikely your implied odds should be much better than when you are facing a HU situation, where calling PF is by far a loosing play.

Zoty79 10 years, 5 months ago

ok, forget the 20 Rule. The odds for hitting a set is 7:1. You lose 7x 2 Dollar , and win 1 time 12 Dollar ,i think, you can calculate it for yourself

dakalle4 10 years, 5 months ago

I think the fold pre is a good play. Assuming we get to the flop, I'm okay with a check for deception due to the flop being rainbow. If the flop had 2 to a suit I'd lean more towards betting flop for value and protection. I like the turn shove. If another heart shows up on the river we might make more mistakes such as folding to bluffs. Due to SB 4bet size I'd mainly be concerned about a set over set situation with JJ or slowplayed TT being a concern. If SB shows up with JJ or TT your equity is ~3% which would be a disaster. 

If SB calls with a heart draw you have between 85% and 70% equity which seems fine to shove. 

I think the way you played it prevents you from making mistakes with your hand. I like the post flop play.

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