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4 bet bluff faces CIB 5 bet 140bb deep

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4 bet bluff faces CIB 5 bet 140bb deep

$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players


CO: $178 (89 bb)
Hero (BTN): $277.50 (138.8 bb)
SB: $343 (171.5 bb)
BB: $215.60 (107.8 bb)
MP: $197 (98.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7d Ah
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB raises to $14, BB folds, Hero raises to $38, SB raises to $62, Hero ??

Villains aggro reggish. 21/17 and 3 bet idk probably over 15% from this spot. Not enough hands to say exactly what his gameplan is. I like attacking 3 bets like this pretty aggressively with 4 bets just because their risk/reward this deep is awful for bluffing. However dude takes this goofball line and how do we proceed? Obv equity wise we re doing fine but this hand plays pretty crap against his range. Perhaps just take a flop and proceed with caution?

P.S. for some reason seems that the hand converter is having a hard time with ongame hands.

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rjlynch 12 years, 2 months ago
I dont think you do need to defend this hand as i doubt it's in the top 60% of your 4bet range (maybe equity wise but not EV wise). I'd just fold and defend with hands with more playability.
james 12 years, 2 months ago
Agreed. This hand is going to be absolutely no fun post flop but I could definitely see some better/crazier posters making an argument for calling due to the price that we're getting.
2blave 12 years, 2 months ago
First of all, I think this is the wrong part of your range to be 4b bluffing with. Having the Ace blocker is nice, but if you do it with every ace blocker that will be too many bluffs for the number of value hands you have. Given that getting called is a real possibility with these stack sizes, I think that you should restrict yourself to suited aces. Broadway hands that you can't call with would also be good choices, so maybe KJo would be a better choice than this hand too. I also question the assumption that this player is 3betting 15% out of position with these stacks - I think most players will decrease their pf3b by at least 5% in this kind of situation.

As for calling, I am against it. The reasoning about it not being in the top 60% of your 4bet range is not really relevant. The real decision is whether you can play A7o profitably against villain's 5bet range. I don't think you can. Even if villain has a reasonable number of bluffs I think it would be unusual for his range to be much larger than 5%. QQ+,AK is 2.6%, so that would be 50% bluffs. Against a 5% range you flop <=17% equity at least half the time according to ProPokerTools.
http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/graph_hvr?g=he&h1=Ax7y&h2=5%25&s=generic

Even if you widen villain to QQ+,AQ,Axs you don't flop very well.
http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/graph_hvr?g=he&h1=Ax7y&h2=QQ%2B%2CAQ%2CAx%2Ax&s=generic

Additionally there is the problem of playability. It's going to be difficult to make good decisions postflop, especially when you hit your ace. Most of the value will come from bluffing the right flops, and some players are going to call unimproved aces in a way that makes this difficult or impossible.
Aleksandra ZenFish 12 years, 2 months ago
im using propokertools couple days only, i didnt understand the graph so i edited your simulation and it showed me input Ax*x - does that reffers to suited aces?
mike 12 years, 2 months ago
agree with above that this is clear fold. i reviewed a ton of small 5B hands about a month ago to try to get a picture what people were doing this with. in the small sample i looked at it was 100% value hands. as an aside since i did this i don't think i have seen one single min 5B
2blave 12 years, 2 months ago
Yes Ax*x means suited aces. If you go to the Simulations page on Propokertools you can click a button labelled Syntax Help that explains the basics of how to input hands. There is also a link within that to a more detailed explanation of their syntax.

As for interpreting the graph I don't know exactly what it means either, but generally I look at the frequency we flop certain equities. For example, what kind of equity do we average at our pot odds precent, which in this case is 11%? Another question to ask is how often we are a favorite postflop. Looking at the graph of A7o it doesn't look very good, even against the widest range. Despite the odds I think these graphs show that our equity isn't good enough to play the flop against villain's estimated range.

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