3betpot deep, overpair vs 3barrels

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3betpot deep, overpair vs 3barrels

LJ: $1103.79 (Hero)
HJ: $579
CO: $1050.60
BN: $579
SB: $877.02
BB: $363
UTG: $979.44
UTG1: $879.18
UTG2: $646.58
15/13 3bet 5 Cbet flop turn and river 74 47 & 50 W$WSF 49 1,4k hands
Preflop ($9.00) (9 Players)
Hero was dealt Q Q
UTG folds, UTG1 folds, UTG2 folds, Hero raises to $18, HJ folds, CO raises to $54, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $36
Flop ($117.00) 3 4 4 (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $75, Hero calls $75
Turn ($267.00) 3 4 4 7 (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $156, Hero calls $156
River ($579.00) 3 4 4 7 2 (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $300, Hero folds
Extremely easy turbo fold?
Final Pot
CO wins $576.20
My perceived range is: QQ+, he is not going to convert AK into a bluff at least he shouldnt, JJ-QQ it's not thin valuebetting too often IMO
I have to win 25% of times
What do you think? :)

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desperhate 12 years, 2 months ago
vilain's range is 88+ ,ATs+ w/ more TT's +,
so on the flop he would have an over pair 50% of the time (a bit less), A high more than 50%, , but u r hand vs his range is still best 78% of the time ...
he would hit a full house on such board rarely, a flush draw sometimes while FD is more in ur perceived range, and almost never a straight draw,
turn is a brick so if u call flop u gotta call the turn ...but ur perceived range look , more like 88+ , AK's, and mid to high card FD, so his second barrel makes sens with 88+ AQ+, so u get to the river with a nother brick so same situation as the turn and the flop, but ur perceived range seems weak, and vilain could check with 88, 99 and bet w/ AQ+, and TT+ so it s like a 50% call,
the bet sizes rep value on each streets, and his turn and river frequency's do not really help for the decision, but I would lean to a fold with 88 to TT, and a call w/ JJ+ because of ur perceived missed flush draw
Serdec 12 years, 2 months ago
Hi !
The deep play at FullRing is much tighter, each time he bets his range is being cutted, and not everybod is able to bluff/barrel river at that spot, due to my perceived range is really strong
He has a low 3bet so, there arent too many FD on his range (most of them will check/behind turn, because it's a brick and im not going to fold too much, so if he bets turn, he is valubetting his top range)
I don't think missed flush draw are in my range, I mean... c/c x2 ? Most of regs would c/r, donk or some aggro stuff not c/c

Greetings
James Hudson 12 years, 2 months ago
OP, why do you think villain shouldn't turn AK into a bluff here? I assume that you 4 bet aces and kings here a decent chunk of the time but he has blockers to those hands anyways and you're looking to fold a hand that's one of the strongest in your range. Seems like a pretty good spot for him to bluff with AK imo.
Serdec 12 years, 2 months ago
Hi! I think he is not turning ak into bluff due to:
- I am not always 4betting KK, he has a rlly low 3bet, FR+150bbs deep, If he 5bet me it is not a happy situation
- Tons of reg just give up at river, I dont see too much bluffs on river for 50bbs, when I can herocall with all the pocketpairs of the world, this spot rlly sux for AK
That's why I think he is valuebetting just the toprange
eq.fest 12 years, 2 months ago
I dont get these posts. If you're folding QQ here it should be because you have certain reads, which you do seem to have. i.e you are aware of how villain perceives your range to be, and the population read that FullRing deep 600nl plays tighter pre. So I dont understand what input you could possibly gain from posting this hand?
padiwan 12 years, 2 months ago
+1 to eq.fest
OP, the way you played the hand is like looking to hit a set or fold 3 streets. Why? You think villain is going to check behind if he didn't hit? For me, it makes no sense to play like this against a reg, who's most likely going to bet worst hands in this river.
Serdec 12 years, 2 months ago
@eq.fest
I didn't have any read, I posted the hand because it's too much weird folding overpair in that spot, and it's a close situation, definitevely it's not an easy call or an easy fold
@padiwan, I'm not set mining, I'm looking my spot, i.e. He can check/behind to pot control with someoverpairs 88-JJ or Double barrel and check/behind them
eq.fest 12 years, 2 months ago
Serdec, given villain bet 1/2 pot on the river you need to be looking to continue with the majority of your range. QQ should be part of that range that now goes to showdown vs villains bet size. Even more so if you think he can have JJ a non-zero amount of the time.

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