3b pot JJ 132bb Turn decision.
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3b pot JJ 132bb Turn decision.
HJ: $1322
CO: $1452.50 (Hero)
BN: $1476.01
SB: $1000
BB: $1000
UTG: $1000
CO: $1452.50 (Hero)
BN: $1476.01
SB: $1000
BB: $1000
UTG: $1000
Preflop
($15.00)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
J
J
UTG folds, HJ raises to $30, Hero raises to $90, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds, HJ calls $60
UTG folds, HJ raises to $30, Hero raises to $90, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds, HJ calls $60
Flop
($195.00)
T
6
T
(2 Players)
HJ checks,
Hero bets $100,
HJ raises to $369,
Hero calls $269
Turn
($933.00)
K
(2 Players)
HJ is AI (863), hero??
No history or hands from HJ, he seems to be new playing 40/ 25/8 in 50 hands.
I think my call on the flop is std, knowing nothing from him. He seems to be repp a FD+OC, FD+GTS, or trips. What is your decision OTT? Do you play the flop different?
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Mmmh ... trips? What trips are calling a 3bet oop CO vs. MP? Your´re blocking JTs, so there´s only one single combo left, T9s? Really? 4 combos, to it´s 5 combos. I´d definitely call the flop and most likely snap the turn. Looks just too weird to me to play a value hand this way.
He is playing 40/ 25/8 in 50 hands, can be a fish. He can have here 8Ts, 9T, JT, QT, KT, AT. The line is weird, but the rcb is 3.7x and that size is scary.
I´m not sure ... certainly he can be a weak player, but it´s still HJ vs. CO and he´s calling a > 3x 3bet oop ... hands like KT aren´t what "immediately" comes to my mind. And besides that, why do you think the big (!) x/r-size looks scary. If he really had the "stonecold" nuts with trips, why should he ever raise that big and likely scare the hell out of you?!
Agree with fish on calling.
Expect to see a flush draw a lot. Would really suck if he had KsXs, but you block KJss and he 4-bets AKss, so you're only worried about KQss.
The King is also a good perceived scare card, which makes him more inlclined to jam, especially since you'd check back AK here a good amount of the time.
I called the turn and he showed 7Ts. I think my call was pretty bad, spew.
I doubt he thinks about ranges and textures, and yes I percieve his rcb very strong.
I percieve his line strong, sorry. I think his range here is something like I said on first post: FD+OC, FD+GTS, or trips. I dont see a 40/25 making a 135bb bluff here with nothing.
In addition the natural play of FD's for fishes is the call, don't know how many combs of FD's can I count here.
Mmmh ... would you´ve considered your call as spew as well if he had shown you Q8ss?
Basically, if you think his range is as narrow (with regards to bluffs) and as wide (with regards to Tx-hands), you actually should´ve folded the flop, right?
I didn't had information of the player then, and called the flop because he was repp a very thin range, and his line was weird, but when he shoves the turn his range is stonger, I think he doesnt have any pure bluff with that line, also his natural trend with FD's is the call.
With no information, and that line for 132bb I think that the turn is a fold. I'm not being resulted oriented, I think I made a mistake here vs his range.
^ I understand what you're saying here but something is flawed IMO. You say you don't have infos on the player, so you call the flop because of that, and then fold the turn because you get more info (he did shove, so he looks strong). You still don't know the player! And above all, when the guy is XRing this big on the flop, there is a PSB left on the turn, it's obvious you'll be faced with a shove very often. So don't like at all the call flop / fold turn line on this particular spot.
Either you don't know who he is, what he's capable of, and you believe this looks bluffy and call down for the reasons BigFish has given ; or you think he's a weaker and looser player (have you seen him limping or something?), and then give him credit for playing a lot more Tx hands than a tight player, and you make a tight fold on the flop.
I agree with you that the 3.7x XR is scary, because many weak players like to XR tiny, if not check-minraising (both bluff and value). And they do like to play their draws passively, especially when deep.
To sum up: make a choice on the flop who you think you're facing.
agreed you wont face c/r this big on flop to leave PSB left on turn w/o a turn shove or river shove if turn goes check check, make decision on flop -- JJ is a decent blocker to 10x hands for sure, def opponent dependent don't think you can really analyze this hand other than saying that
Shouldnt we add AA/KK/QQ on the flop, which flat pre because of stackdepth and deception?
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