3B 140 deep, multiway w/ overpair.
Posted by Nick Howard
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Nick Howard
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3B 140 deep, multiway w/ overpair.
BN: $435.03
SB: $282.52 (Hero)
BB: $200
UTG: $191.19
HJ: $398.43
CO: $866.32
SB: $282.52 (Hero)
BB: $200
UTG: $191.19
HJ: $398.43
CO: $866.32
Preflop
($3.00)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
Q
Q
UTG raises to $5, HJ calls $5, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to $22, BB folds, UTG calls $17, HJ calls $17
UTG raises to $5, HJ calls $5, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to $22, BB folds, UTG calls $17, HJ calls $17
Flop
($69.00)
3
J
T
(3 Players)
Hero checks,
UTG checks,
HJ bets $35,
Hero calls $35,
UTG folds
Turn
($139.00)
3
J
T
6
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
HJ bets $75,
Hero folds
Final Pot
HJ
wins $135.20
I'm checking my whole range otf. i should beat nothing in his turn value range...that being said , do i value my hand more than black KK? black AA?!
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Why are you checking your whole range OTF? I think this is a great spot for a check raise to fold out any straight draws and to get value out of any J maybe a T if he is lose.
What hands do you have in his range here that have us beat?
Are you checking your range here to get value out of his bluff range?
I think on the turn we would value your hand over a black KK or AA with the flush outs but they could be dirty.
What do you think the inflection point is for squeezing vs calling here?
Raphael (RIO coach) actually had a similar spot in his video where he squeezed QQ in his video without realizing how deep he was and then basically "if I realized I was this deep I wouldn't have squeezed" and he was about 200 or so.
The turn seems like a call in theory if you're squeezing this deep, but I guess you could make lots of arguments that he paid a lot of money for the JTx flop and the diamonds like 25% to hit the turn and so on. It's a tough spot if you fold though, though you've probably got enough Axdd to cover it, but then again that should argue for a turn call.
I do agree that we should check here, we just end up letting Villain realize all his equity on this board since we don't really have a raising range. The more I think about this hand the more I like a turn call since we're actually quite "protected" in the sense that we've still got the strongest parts of our range (which are admittedly fairly weak on this board). With that said, I don't blame you for folding and moving on.
Let the Wild Janda comment if he may!
If we call, i think we still have an easy x/f on a diamond river .. my other consideration was that i was blocking KQs(non flush) and AdQo .. that being said i also block KQdd and AQdd...
it's just weird b/c in a spot where i think he has so few bluffs, and i'm blocking them, i feel like the blockers are working against me. feels like i'm praying that he checks back river with the vast majority of his bluffs .. where he doesn't have many to begin with , and any AdK or AdQ makes for the best river bluff ever in his shoes.
i just don't see how i get to free SD enuff. but maybe my Q and diamond outs are enuff?
i think calling pre could be a better option. for the most part though i don't think 200 zoom plays aggressively enough to have me pulling my hair out too often with QQ.. i'd expect to be able to get to showdown more easily than i should be able to on most textures.
I don't think you get to showdown free either and I think folding is alright but I do think it's probably breaking the equilibrium. It is a really bad board and he paid a lot of money to get there, so I don't fault you for it but I can think of some arguments for calling and it should be a call in Flopzilla or whatever.
I can also think of some bluffs that he could have but most would be mades turned into bluffs given the board (99, 88, KJs if he calls that is definitely getting bet but I agree with you on the blocker thing with the other hand you listed).
I doubt he wants to go 3-way with AKo in his shoes being out of position against the HJ, but he could technically have that. I wouldn't really worry about the diamond other than it meaning you should call if you want to keep the equilibrium because I can think of at least 6 combos with the Ad you have and 6 more with the Kd. This doesn't even include all your made flushes.
This is like the type of fold I make when I'm not confident but the type I make when I think I'm playing well and more fearless so I don't really know what to say. Fear is the core error, of course.
Also, regarding the exploit of Zoom NL200, I mean you were talking to me like two weeks ago about how the exploits you made on Carbon of bet/bet/check type lines weren't working as well against even the SSNL players on Stars, so just make sure you're not habitually underestimating the opposition I guess.
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