3/6 Stars HU: rivered straight on paired / 3flush board
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Swoop
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3/6 Stars HU: rivered straight on paired / 3flush board
BB: $785.15
SB: $1347.54 (Hero)
SB: $1347.54 (Hero)
Preflop
($9.00)
(2 Players)
Hero was dealt
K
T
Hero raises to $15, BB calls $9
Hero raises to $15, BB calls $9
Flop
($33.00)
9
Q
5
(2 Players)
BB checks,
Hero bets $18,
BB calls $18
Turn
($69.00)
9
Q
5
5
(2 Players)
BB checks,
Hero bets $48,
BB calls $48
River
($165.00)
9
Q
5
5
J
(2 Players)
BB checks,
Hero bets $138,
BB raises to $704.15, and is all in
We´re getting 1,77:1 (36%) on a call here.
He was pretty aggro. I posted two hands that happened in a 15min span before this hand occurred that made me really sweat this one.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?6531672
http://www.pokerhand.org/?6531674
Feedback appreciated. Thanks.
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on this river the vast majority of hands you were supposed to bluff with got there...
do you think he was expecting you to vbet light/call it off here??his he really turning Jx/9x type of hand in to bluffs /r is he making a kamikaze play with 67/78os calling turn to crai on the river in a spot where your bluffing range now got there?
thats how i would approach this spot,im not HU tho,i dont even know if hes crai 5x here to be honest becuse of that river wich will make it very hard for you to bet/call Qx type of hand i think
so i think we just beat 108 wich he might have played differently coz he was loosing at showdown vs all your draws anyway
as far as flushes we block quite a bit of combos with the Kh but i think he would play Axhh and Qx hh this way always
a bunch of other hh combos might have c/r the flop,hands like 67/86/78/108....
so the combos of flushes that he can have are fews,like the 5x boats...but im struggling to see what he can be bluffing here with so i would fold it
please if u called post his hand thx
He was definitely not a bad player so I have to assume he knew that he was defending a very wide range and didnt fold a lot to cbets. When he realizes he´s doing that he has to think about what I would do about it. My reaction was to valuebet more thinly. Do I know if he knew that? Not for certain.
Regarding his value range I would say playing this hand like this with a bare 5 is pretty thin. But just for the fun of it we can give him some 5 combos that dont make boats here. We can also give him most of the flushes and Q5, J5.
The problem I had with villain is that even though he was defending a lot from the bb he wasnt folding much to cbets (~30%). His fold to turn cbet was 40% and fold to river cbet 17% overall, which seems ridiculous. To counter that my approach was to either delay cbet the turn/attack his turn stabbing or barrell all streets to take advantage of him never folding.
What we´re now facing is the very real possibilty that a reg will take note of this and could ship over a lot of river barrels both for value and as a bluff knowing that I might be valuebetting thinly. Adjusting to that I would have to call those river ships with a wider range.
I will post the result (but not just yet).
What was his c/r frequency and had you gone to SD in any such pots? This would be influence my decision largely. Any SD hands where he was calling and not value raising (a la 2 pair).
1) You go by the odds and ask yourself if he´s bluffing at least 36% (assuming he´s not value-raising worse).
2) You go by GTO and determine the amount of combos you have to call to remain unexploitable.
Let´s start with 2):
Let´s assume your river-betting-range is sth. like 13 flush-combos, sets/quads (10 combos), straights (16 combos), 2-pairs (27 combos) for a total of 66 combos. Now, Villain is risking 704 to win 333, means, he´s laying himself odds of 0.47:1. That again means, he needs ~68% fold equity to make a profit with his shove. So, you have to defend at least 32% of your river-betting-range against his x/r - and please note that I didn´t even consider ANY bluffs in your riverbetting-range! So you have to call with 32% of 66 combos, which is roughly 22 combos. Your nuttish hands (flushes / boats / quads) make 23 combos, so you can "easily" muck KT in this spot w/o being exploitable. If you add some bluffs you might bet the river with you had to add some more combos into your calling-range but with 16 additional straight combos you´d never need all - so you don´t risk being immediately exploitable when folding KT here.
That said, when we look at the odds we need, it´s pretty tempting to snap and own this guy who seems to just get ridiculously out of line, even more so with the history you got and the superior board-runout that makes this an incredibly nice bluff opportunity. But as gianluca mentioned, what bluffs can he ever have - if he didn´t x/c twice with random crap w/o any equity? That´s my major issue in this spot ... if you can come up with sufficient combos or expect him to turn enough made hands into bluff (i.e. 9x, Qx, medium pockets etc.), I guess you should definitely make an exploitative call, just because it´s such a nice bluffing-spot for him.
how can it be a nice bluffing spot for him if all our semi/bluff we were berreling with got there on this river?
i mean when we bet here ,if hes decent,he knows we rarely have air,we have all nutted hands in our range,and yet again nothing missed on the river
so assuming hes good,would he turning stuff in to bluff trying to move us off a very strong vbetting range??
how come its such a good bluffing spot?
i mean i dont play HU so my thinking here is 6max oriented and could be wayy off
anyway i really thought abt this spot and in actual play i would have ended up calling because of=
recent history,
Kh blocker
bunch of flushes were combo draws on the flop and would have prob c/r the flop , few boats he can have,
and i would have thought that he wouldnt have x/r ai with only 5x
thats it...in 30/60 seconds time that all would have gone trough my mind..
from villain prospective im not sure if it looks that good of a spot
i'll stick to what ive said b4,in game action with limited time to think i would have call his shove for the reasons ive written earlier
plus due to recent history,he did twice already,and if hes good he should know that every time he does it it should increase the possibility of you taking a stand and clicking call
i m not HU so i dunno if im right here with this
would be nice to hear from some other HU specialist
i wouldnt do that on such a river tho
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