3/6 facing river shove, BUT we have a pair!

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3/6 facing river shove, BUT we have a pair!

SB: $623.50
BB: $816.50 (Hero)
Preflop ($9.00) (2 Players)
Hero was dealt 4 6
SB raises to $12, Hero raises to $48, SB calls $36
Flop ($105.00) K 3 4 (2 Players)
Hero bets $54, SB calls $54
Turn ($213.00) K 3 4 8 (2 Players)
Hero bets $138, SB calls $138
River ($489.00) K 3 4 8 8 (2 Players)
Hero checks, SB bets $383.50, and is all in
I was playing 350 hands with villain over 2 tables. He seemed to be a reg even though he played extremly loose preflop. So far he was defending 72% from the big blind. Folding to 3bets ~68% while opening 100% of buttons. At this point the match was going for about 30min and he stacked me once KK vs QQ all in pf other than that it was going back and forth pretty good.

In 3bet pots he folded 33% to 3bets so far and 0% to 2nd barrels (0/3). Feedback much appreciated on this river.

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rjlynch 12 years, 2 months ago
I think this is a call. You should be far enough up your range that you want to defend vs this river jam. Though it's hard to say for sure w/o knowing your strategy. If I played the hand I'd check call. pre flop and turn all look good to me.
Swoop 12 years, 2 months ago
If the board runs out like this I play AK, AA, KK the same way.

What concerned me was that he didnt raise cbets like at all before, which would lead me to believe he could have a King pretty often.

I would like to post another hand to give a more specific read, but it doesnt seem to work in the comments does it?


tehduper 12 years, 2 months ago
I'd only ever call here if I had a read that he really, really likes turning A high into bluffs. Otherwise his river betting range is just way too value heavy and I don't think it's even that close a decision. I'm guessing that even if he jams 100% of his non-A-high missed flush draws/straight draws it might still be a fold (too lazy atm to count the combos) but I think that river decreases most people's bluffing frequency.
Swoop 12 years, 2 months ago
I just feel Im looking at a lot of kings here in his range.

I learned later though that he wasnt afraid to make some moves.

Couldnt figure out how to post this so I just write it down:

I open sb Q5o he calls. Flop 455hh. Chk/Chk. Turn 2d. Chk/bet/call. River 4d. He donks 4/5 pot and ships over my raise with 33.
Sure totally different scenario as he put me on a capped range once I check the flop, but to me it shows that he was capable of quite a few different things.
Tom M 12 years, 2 months ago
Feels like a lot of Kx are in his range, too ... just seems like most people would raise turn with two different flush draws out there.

I wonder if he's capable of this with a hand like JJ to see if he can get calls from TT, 99, Ace high ...

I like the line you took, though. I'd play it the same way. Just feels like a really thin call. Ugh. He might be putting us on missed clubs and making a move. So tempted to call here.
Swoop 12 years, 2 months ago
If he is putting us on missed clubs then checking back with just about anything with showdown value worse than Kx would make sense. Unless he has 55-77 and puts us on TT-QQ, which we would then haved double barrelled, but if I would be taking this line with those hands I would chk/call the river very often.
flatbreadpizza 12 years, 2 months ago
I think a turn check/call is going to be so much more profitable than a barrel if he is ever floating and especially if he is showdown bound with his A highs.
Swoop 12 years, 2 months ago
What would you do on the river then? When a heart, 6 or 4 falls? Donkbet? I doubt he would be bet/calling the river very often especially on a heart.

I dont like giving up the initiative on this turn. Id like to balance my range here and having this type of hands in it makes us more unpredictable and gives him the chance to fold hands, that are currently better than ours, but worse than top pair.
flatbreadpizza 12 years, 2 months ago
This makes no sense to me. Our line wouldn't be representing hearts at all so I don't see how a heart is especially unlikely to get action. We are balancing our range more by putting a hand like this in our check/call range and then having more nutty hands on 14 rivers where normally his line is consistent with backdoor hearts and ours isn't. If you really think that line gets nothing but folds (which it doesn't imo) then it's a fistpump check/call and check/raise bluff any river. Also inducing from all floats is pretty cool and when he checks behind and we hit the river we are getting called on the river near 100% vs most people.
Swoop 12 years, 1 month ago
Im sorry for following up so late, but I went away over the weekend.

I can see your point for balancing a turn check here which we would most likely do with hands like 99+ as well, by check/calling here he cant just simply bet us of our hand. Id consider it against a guy who would value bet a bare king on a heart river as well. Thinking back to this hand he might have been theh guy to do so. Not sure though. Are you folding any non 4,6,heart river in this spot after chk/calling the turn?

What I dont agree with is that our range doesnt include backdoor hearts. Why do you think our line (by checking the turn) is not consistent with having at least some backdoor heart combos in it?
Swoop 12 years, 1 month ago
Defnitely like mixing it up here with 3betting and calling. When he is folding a lot I´d consider putting a lot more marginal hands in my 3betting range and calling with my stronger hands pf as he is never (or not very often at different points throughout the match) been calling 3bets pre.

I would give you AK, KK, AA for the 4bet range, but up to this point we only played one 4bet pot (KKvsQQ) other than that he has been folding or calling, which would lead me to believe that there are quite a few kings left in his range here.

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