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25Z River block bet got raised in 3bp

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25Z River block bet got raised in 3bp

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) BN: $42.14
SB: $38.77
BB: $44.42
UTG: $26.37 (Hero)
MP: $34.73
CO: $17.92
Villain is a somewhat aggressive reg - 28/19/7.1 over 400 hands, ag 2.7, river bet 57%, WTSD 24, W$SD 42, WWSF 36
Preflop ($0.35) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, BN raises to $2.15, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.55
Flop ($4.65) Q 5 8
Hero checks, BN checks
Turn ($4.65) Q 5 8 9
Hero checks, BN checks
River ($4.65) Q 5 8 9 K
Hero bets $1.50, BN raises to $6.00

Seems standard up until river. His range that gets to the river looks like AK, 8/9x, TT-JJ, maybe AQ/KQ sometimes (although i would expect most strong Qx to bet the turn) and also some Ax that is folding to any size bet.

Given, his range, he probably isn't betting river if checked to so prefer betting ourselves. In terms of sizing, I don't think he calls weak pairs vs 1/2 pot but might make a hero call vs blocker bet. However, we don't get here with a lot of value hands as I'm pretty much always betting 2 pair + on the turn. We get here with TT-JJ, probably AJs, KQs, AK and maybe 66-77. We could be turning the low pocket pairs and AJs into bluffs and value betting KQs and AK but our range does become quite face up with this small sizing.

When facing the raise, the only value combo that makes sense is KQ which he doesnt always have given the action on the flop and turn or maybe AK as a thin value raise. He could be turning his 8/9x and maybe TT-JJ into bluffs. We also don't really get here with any better hands to call (except KQs occasionally).

Does this make sense? Would you play this differently and how often do you think we are good on this river when facing a raise?

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piownu 6 years, 6 months ago

On the turn i don't agree that check/call is standard. Even if villain have air like KT by checking we don't know if he will bet turn as a bluff even if go check check turn we let him to get free card for free and if we check/call turn cuz we think AK is good we should most of the time call river as well and to be honest i wouldn't be happy to face 2 barrel on this stakes becouse is value most likely. So most of the time by checking turn we pray villain will bet turn and give up river when our range is capped on Ax or weak pair? we just ask for 2 barrel. If turn go check check do we rly want to check call river? I would just bet turn and bet the river blocking strong Qx, and abuse villain range is capped on weak pair or A
x. sometimes weak Qx. Not only i can fold better hand to river but even if i fold worser hand i am fine becouse this hand had equity vs AK. If villain have smth like under pair i doubt he will bluff catching wide vs our position. It's just so hard to play profitable as check/call on the turn we gonna have sick spots on the river where villain will printing money betting. Statistic show that population overfold to pro bet anyway so near 50% we will win the pot on the turn and actually when I am in spot as IP I always betting twice turn and river becouse people have capped range and they 99% of the time never check/call turn and river and i just printing money betting any2. Obv check call turn is fine but it's so harder to make it profitable comapre to betting, and we don't have any redraw ass well only 2 overs. As played i am not sure if villain have in range smth like undairpairs pairs, wouldn't he bet for protection with them on the turn and check river? He's range looks so weak that geting value on the river would be so hard. I think small sizing is fine, people have hard time to fold a pair to small sizing, I saw rly bad call for this price. This raise not representing much as u described so bet small with intention to call look good but i would do this only vs more agressive opponents, becouse i saw a lot of time facing on river hands like KQ or JT or even a set becouse players were to passive to bet on previous streets and they never bluff raised but only if opponent is agressive. The only problem which i have is what hes turning in bluff? I rly think if hes agro he will bet almost evry pair on the turn.And in fact he not represanting any strong hand to river, this line just doesn't have much sense but as i wrote passive opponets can easily have strit or 2 pairs played this way but more agro can make weird bluff when u bet 1/3.

Jeff_ 6 years, 6 months ago

I'd just bet bigger (1/2 or 2/3 of the pot) and fold vs raise. When you bet small sometimes villain will spazz and you should know what you gonna do vs raise before betting small. TPTK when opponent can turn some hands into a bluff seems like standard call.
Maybe I consider more x/c river, king is better hand for villain range so I would be checking that card frequently ( TT, JJ, 9x, 8x) and I don't have many Kx only KQs and AK.

ExiL97 6 years, 6 months ago

I think if you follow the logic behind your blockbet you have to fold river. I mean a blockbet is meant "to buy" a cheap showdown.
Add to that that at micro/small stakes you don't see that many bluff raise otr.
On the other side his line doesn't make much sense at all except KQ/JTs/76s that he decide to slowplay turn for whatever reason. If BB was a fish maybe he could have call K9s from the BN but that would be kinda loose call.
In the end it depend on how you think BN is capable of turning a hand into bluff otr

frontdoorbackdoor 6 years, 6 months ago

Yeah I think this was the problem I realised afterwards. My sizing doesnt makes sense with the range that gets to this river. Maybe x/c is better as if we bet bigger I don't think we get enough calls from lower pairs.

thezemo 6 years, 6 months ago

Quite weird that we face raise here. Only value hands which look normal is K9s (1 combo) but that shouldn't be in 3bet range BNvsEP for someone who has 7% overall 3bet.

Stats are weird, you say he's agro, but his wwsf is 36% what is quite low. W$SD is low also, makes me think he ran bad orrr could be bluffing too much.

I vote for call and probable always see that 1 combo of K9s or KQs. Agree with jeff about x/c, esp if we know he's agro.

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