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[25NLZ] How to play the turn and the river

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[25NLZ] How to play the turn and the river

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) BN: $35.40
SB: $36.61
BB: $31.47 (Hero)
UTG: $47.59
MP: $74.00
CO: $28.82
Hi, villain is unknown, which is a pretty good sign because my pool is very small.
Preflop ($0.35) Hero is BB with A A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.62, BN raises to $2.21, SB folds, Hero raises to $5.00, CO folds, BN calls $2.79
Flop ($10.72) Q A 8
Hero bets $3.10, BN calls $3.10
Turn ($16.92) Q A 8 5
Hero checks, BN checks
In game, I thought I would be shoving AQ here, QQ, A5s, and some draws such as Axcc, JTcc, KJcc. I would also check some Ax such as AJo, probably some AK with a club, my thrash hands which wanna give up, AA,KK,JJ,TT. So I feel like checking this combo does not lose a lot of value isntead of shoving or betting small. What do you think?
River ($16.92) Q A 8 5 K
Hero bets $23.37 and is all in, BN calls $23.37
I think we can discount JTcc of vllain's range, he has JThh, KQs, AK, KK, and some weaker hands. So I decided to shove to get max value from QK, KK or the few AKo or AQs he has. I have the room to bet/fold. I feel like check/raising does not make any sense here. But my line doesn't make a lot of sense here...

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ExiL97 6 years, 5 months ago

Just bet turn. You're in 4bet pot and villain called flop so he likely have something. So you want to extract max value. As you said villain is unknown so you don't need to be balanced ott

frontdoorbackdoor 6 years, 5 months ago

Think your 4bet pre needs to be bigger, especially because of stack sizes. Think I prefer betting small on the turn yourself against an unknown, people tend to go crazy Vs small sizes in 4bet pots I've found.

ChaoRen123 6 years, 5 months ago

Ok so you would make at least 6$ 4bet? Which hands would you bet so small OTT? Bet/folding a flush draw seems like a loss of EV here, and idk if AK plays this way too...

frontdoorbackdoor 6 years, 5 months ago

24bb seems about right. I'd just take an exploitative line and bet a merged range on the turn for small sizing as his range is so value heavy. Most of your flush draws have top pair so would probably just be a check on the flop anyways along with KK

Jeff_ 6 years, 5 months ago

having Aclub in our hand, I can't find better combo to x/call ott. River can bet small/ x/call (maybe x/shove) or jam yourself.
There is decent chance our guy is weak player that shoving should be better, vs aggro reg we can x/call or bet small (we block hands which we want to see calling AK,AQ our shove, however KK and QQ will always call). So i'm not convinced about betting small is great line

GocceGocce 6 years, 5 months ago

Vs 4bet range when he is unkown we usually give him tight range. So when you bet flop which hands call you here? Can low PP make call? Which FD can he have other than KJs maybe JTs or T9s. If villain call flop here why we go for check? Just bet turn. He will call you all time with Ax and FD combos. When R come K i think its great card. Because people dont 3bet and call 4bet enough with JTs and T9s in that limits. Your hand and board block all FD combos. I will go bet bet bet line.

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