25NL Zoom deep with top 2, c/r'd on turn in limped pot.

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25NL Zoom deep with top 2, c/r'd on turn in limped pot.

BN: $103.90
SB: $34.54
BB: $25.92
UTG: $24.49
HJ: $38.54 (Hero)
CO: $30.29
No stats or reads.
Preflop ($0.35) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt T J
UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, CO folds, BN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, BB checks
Flop ($1.25) 3 J T (5 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BN folds, SB calls $1, BB folds, UTG calls $0.75
Turn ($4.25) 3 J T 2 (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.25, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $8.25, UTG calls $8
Hero?
Pretty tough spot here given that it's a limped pot and I'm playing like 150bb deep facing a ton of action OTT. C/r here is super strong, but the only value hand that really makes sense here for the SB is 33. JT is possible I guess, as is like Q9hh or 98hh maybe? Still those I think would put more money in OTF rather than c/r the turn. Is it possible to fold here?

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Cina F 11 years, 11 months ago
Man this indeed sucks as there is only one reasonable hand that beats you but it's so hard imagining worse do it as well.. I think if you can find reasons to not limitate his range to 33 >90% of the time this would be a not fold spot
if he does have 33 he knos he's got the virutal nuts but he also knows that his hand is gonna be very vulnerable in a 3way pot OOP and without the initiative, so much to protect against here and already a bunch of action/money in the pot i think it's fair to say that he'd find a 3rd bet on the flop with 33 often for the same reasons he'd do it on the turn he doesn't have to worry about getting it in as he has the nuts, his range for calling still has some draws/top pair but mainly draws and i think altho it's unlikely; that it could make some sort of sense to semi-bluff as you're just punishing a mindonkbet you don't really have to be super strong even tho u have top 2 this is a play u shud make with KJ too and that u could potentially do with a draw or even as a bluff with some sort of equity and i think there are reasons to believe he could get away with a 3bet here

all in all with all the money out there and u still have boat outs if he has 33 i'd just get it in since the fish has shown interest and is likely not folding try to get the most of your equity here on the turn. btw 32hh is a possible combo and i'd end by saying u gotta abuse the limpers as much as u can in position and JTs is certainly a good enough hand to raise pre here
João Ferreira 11 years, 11 months ago
I think raising pre is the way to go, any particular reasons for not doing so?

I would call the turn. I did play a bit with CREV and with the assumptions I made and it gave me the result that calling > raising.
You're very behind of 33s and not really that ahead of other hands, besides 2h3h (which I think will fold some decent % of the time).
You are also not that ahead of the fish's getting it in range, with the ranges I estimated you have around 70% vs his range.

Also you'll be seeing the river in position, which may help getting an extra value bet from the fish in case draws miss and it is checked to you.
mplecki23 11 years, 11 months ago
Raise PF. SB more likely to have a draw I would think. UTG prob has QQ/KK/AA and SB or UTG would have put more money in on the flop with 33. I'd exploitably bang the turn for pot, as you're prob not getting many folds. SB turns a lot of gutter and fds as well. First guess is calling is going to be best, but I can be talked into a jambo particularly if either guys are fishy fish.
Edichka1 11 years, 11 months ago
I think you are surrounded by bad players, UTG bets .25 into 4.25 then calls 8. When both u and SB show a lot of strength, I think SB could have worse 2pair here since it was a limp pot.
I think if SB has 33 here he should be raising flop for value from FD and Str8 draws and his turn sizing makes no sense to me, since UTG is showing the will to call anything I think with 33 his raise would be larger on flop/turn.
As played I call since you are IP and I would probably call a bet on a river brick.
GameTheory 11 years, 11 months ago
Just fold here:

board: 3sThJh2s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
TJ 25.66% 171 1,016
Kh9h 26.11% 691 0
33,TJ 48.22% 768 1,016


Your equity is bad, if you call down on blank rivers you are often calling for a split at best. Both players could have TJ and 33, but it is more likely UTG has some combodraw. If you were ahead you should shove to let him pay for his draw, but SB is just too strong for that. Basically you are drawing to a 4 outer, you wouldn't call this raise with a gutshot either so just fold.
Maddsoul 11 years, 11 months ago
UTG is probably drawing with a hand like KQ based on his clownish min-bet and the fact he limped. Maybe something like 7-8hh. SB could be slow playing 33, but that's a pretty draw heavy board to just call the flop. He could have a worse two pair for sure since it was limped. Maybe even A-J. I don't see him having a flush draw. Why would he wait until the turn to raise with it? I think you're good here most of the time.

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