JJ,QQ,KK,AA,TX are all other hands that i could see VIllain Jamming river with for Value. 

Your only afraid of 1 combo TT. 

Sorry, But Im never folding your hand. Your basically trying to soul-read the Old-man in this situation. Call it variance, but Folding 5X quads here in any game is -EV in the Long run.

I basically always agree with the Love but here I have a small disagreement. His line where he checks flop and then min raises to turn and then finally shoves over your overbet looks a lot stronger than say JJ. Although it's live and people make some damn strange moves live they usually respect paired boards more than they should imo. That said I have a hard time seeing almost all the overpairs. What you are hoping for is obviously an XT which I'd say is fairly likely. His line looks super strong though so I can understand why you'd want to put him on exactly the lone TT but I just don't think we can ever make that read. So all in all I'm definitely calling the river but it might not be as snappy as the Love's call :)

you don't have enough information to make this fold.

Not in a million years am I NOT calling that hand!  You can't run scared expecting to lose in hands like this one. The skill in this game is not avoiding risk but is in taking risk at the correct time.  If ever there was a correct time this is it!

After overbetting river by 2x and then getting shoved on in a spot villain knows i'm never folding? Think of it from a first level player's perspective. You guys honestly think he's shoving over an overbet with a ten often enough that I can call here?

I agree with R0b5ter that the check check to bet/min raise looks strong, I stacked off yesterday in the same type of action, but it was small boat vs big boat.  A large majority of the time the nuts on this board is Tx, you have the 2nd over nuts.  Also min opening with TT is strange. I would think for most people Tx would be in their range here more often than TT.  

I like the loves big picture comment to, I am sure you have stacked off with much worse absolute hands in different situations such as AA maybe even bottom pair or A high and not given it a second thought.  Quads over quads is as cooler as it gets, so cooler that casinos pay you when it happens...hopefully your casino has a bad beat jackpot, then you win either way.   

Honestly, I think you should fold because its completely unreasonable for him to do what he's doing with any other hand but TT. 10 seconds and then shove should severely discount a Ten. It is one combo though so it makes it tough.

IMO

If a 5 doesn't hit the river, what's your plan?

If you think he has quads why call the min. Raise OTT and then fold the river when you bink?

A fold just makes no sense the way you played the hand.

Call if he has quad 10's tap the table say nice hand rebuy and continue playing.

Btw

If he has any 10 you're best OTT anyway but you called!

Beat"

edich, obviously OTT his range can be much wider, a lot of live guys like the minraise as a probe bet to find out if i'm FOS or not. they will also do it with tens full or maybe even fives full in this spot. quads is a very very small part of his range on turn, my questions is after he shoves over my overbet on river, how much of that shoving range is made up of quads versus his tx combos

Never folding. There are too many hands he would do this with that do not beat you. AA KK QQ maybe JJ and any 10 especially.

Guess now i have a "Deadly lock read" on Older White Guys, thats going to make me $. 

Whenever they Jam River, it's the Nuts. :P

I´d say any hand < Tx (= JJ+) is way too optimistic in this spot. Like never. And even single Tx is a stretch already. At my best days I probably had found a fold, on my normal I had gone broke as well ... but I had said "goodbye" to my chips before putting them into the middle, on my bad days I had snapped - and left the casino afterwards. :(

who the heck opens to 10 in a 2/5 game?

I'm not folding here, I think he can consider 10x the nuts and be over shipping often enough to make it a call. Plus the min raise pre seems more like 10x type hands then 1010. I obviously know nothing about this opponent I am just basing that on population read.

Also would like to note I think AA-JJ is never in his range here. I strongly doubt that's even in his min raise turn range. Which is why I really like the overbet on the river and personally may have just shoved myself. (but I would have probably folded the turn). 

BUT if we do believe he can have AA-JJ in his turn min raise range (which OP does because he called turn) then wouldn't betting river small to get value from his entire range be better? Also he may raise 10x over a small river bet in which case we can just ship then and we don't miss any value from the 10x portion of his range and we maximize value from AA-JJ.

results oriented.

Epic. :D

You wouldn't have started the post if he didn't have quads also. :)

This is just another lesson in bankroll management.  

Never fold quads, the chances that your quads are behind are slim to none (2%). Yes they were this time but you should never fold here regardless (most of the time Villain is showing up here with Tx type hands or TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA and has the losing hand 98% of the time) . Ask what the bad beat jackpot is then fist pump like The Love said.

Was just in fort lauderdale/hollywood at the hard rock, hows action at coconut creek? never been.  Hard rock hold em was nitty....the PLO was really good tho.

This is a bad beat anywhere here in Florida.

why are you asking this question. I might never go on another forum again. Your seriously asking if you should fold quads? Im tempted to comit after looking at this. sigh sigh sigh puke puke cry cry

fold turn

obv V has quads or this post never comes up. its jbl bud

This is really just a question of relative hand strength. This is just like having the second best hand on any other board, only this time you massively overbet and he still jammed on you.

Much more likely he doesn't know how to read the board than he has quads imo

Bad turn call > river play.

That's why old live guys do the $10 for a ten raise. They've been playing for a long time and know how the poker gods work.