2/5 live, enough equity to continue or just fold?

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2/5 live, enough equity to continue or just fold?

SB(Hero) $1,400
BB $800
UTG. $2,100
Utg1. $2,000
Mp. $600
Mp2. $900
HJ. $1,000
Co. $1,100(villain 1)
BTN. $750(villain 2)

Co is an older man, has knowledge of the game, playes a lot hands.
BTN is just bad, very bad.
Mp1 raises to $15
Co calls
BTN calls
Hero calls with 45cc

Flop
5h6c8c

Hero checks Mp checks CO bets $60 BTN flats.
Hero C/R to $230, all fold.

BTN actually counted out the raise and then folded told me he had 99 CO said he folded bottom 2 but was thinking of shoving.

1) do I stack off in that spot for 200 BB if CO ships?
2) do I just fold pre?
3) do I just fold the flop after facing a pot size?
4) do I really have enough equity to continue with my hand?

All thoughts and constructive criticisms are welcome!!






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WM2K 11 years, 10 months ago
I d fold this preflop. Ya you gotta bad player in the pot but your perma OOP and even silly live donks should nt be tricked too often when you put in a ton of action esp seeing as its difficult to bluff.

IF CO does ship your drawing to your FD and your gutter so blah you probably have to fold but run the numbers. Your going to be up against a set or top2 a ton I think. Maybe AA or KK if these guys have no idea what one pair is worth 4 ways 200bb deep.
Edichka1 11 years, 10 months ago
I actually didn't think either one had a hand they would want to continue with and I haven't played a hand in 45 minutes so I kind used my image to play this pot( I was folding if I got. shoved on) but I totally a agree with you my hand should be in the muck pre.
Thx..
djnef01 11 years, 10 months ago
the main reason raising is bad here is because NFD combos/ T9cc type hands are gonna be a pretty big part of both villain's ranges here that actually put the money in on the flop. It's tough for either villain to have 97 or 74 so it's basically a range of sets, a few combos of straights, and then big drawy combos that absolutely crush your hand.
Lowstejkfish 11 years, 10 months ago

I think muck pre, but not terrible to flat. As played it feels pretty bad to just fold when we practically get the ideal flop for our hand. Think it's fine to c/r and stack off vs co if he ships... We obv have to puke if that happens but we rep super strong here and have lots of fold eq. If co jam we still have >40% vs 88,66-55,AcJc,AcTc,Tc9c,97s,86s. Even if we take away nut FD's (88,66-55,Tc9c,97s,86s) we got ~38%. We need ~38% vs CO to get it in here...

nutinsider 11 years, 10 months ago

: 5h6c8c Equity Win TieMP2 40.42% 39.74% 0.68% { 5c4c }MP3 59.58% 58.90% 0.68% { 88, 66-55, 97s, 86s-85s, 65s, Tc9c, Ac5c, 9c5c, 97o, 86o-85o, 65o }


I think that's a reasonable range.

Schu 11 years, 9 months ago

1) do I stack off in that spot for 200 BB if CO ships?

Since you started this mess, the answer is yes... do not start what you can not effectively finish. call that shove and cross every finger and toe you have.

2) do I just fold pre?

No... in a live game, this is a reasonable limping/calling hand depending on the action pre.

3) do I just fold the flop after facing a pot size?

No... but certainly, don't CR to $230. @ nearly 4x that's just a plain nutty raise.



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