20nl - flopped flush - what's the best line?
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20nl - flopped flush - what's the best line?
https://www.weaktight.com/h/54d15bb5a525112a5ba52088
It's a hand that a friend of mine played, and we'd like to hear some thoughts on different lines:
1) As played- XC -> XC -> XRAI
2) XC -> XR
3) leading the flop
Thanks!
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x/raise flop or turn, river is call only because villain can easily have a full here after 3 betting pre. wouldnt lead the flop, tough to balance.
The problem with raising on the flop or on the turn is that we end up looking extremely strong. Flop raise is kinda more tempting than turn raise, but it's kind of awkward with this hand, because we block a lot of villains continuing range.
I mean really, what bluffs do we have on the turn? AJ gets there, AQ/QJ turns a pair, do we want to bluff that? We don't have very clear bluffing hands, so the problem with raising the turn is that we might end up being very valueheavy in a spot where villain perceives us being extremely strong. Bad scenario for us.
At the same time villain can have a lot of valuehands on this board, and he is probably not folding a lot, so we might aswell just shove the turn, because this is NL20 and villain is not capable of folding things. Again, kind of awkward because villain can't have things like AhAx/AhKx. I would be more happy to play 8h9h fast here rather than AhQh.
I'm not really sure about this spot, but I think that raising the turn is the best play after all. Main reason is that villain is probably very unbalanced and has a valuehand more often than not (hard to bluff on this board, villain has to realize things in order to be bluffing enough here). If villains range is heavily towards valuehands (which I think he probably is, but again, not 100% sure), then shoving makes sense.
I might be wrong here, and our strategy is probably very exploitable. I'm just making assumptions about player pool and I'm pretty sure they're correct. Villain is most likely having a very valueheavy range on the turn, and people are not folding 2pair very often.
Thanks for the replies, guys.I'll share my thoughts as soon as i don't get from the gym.
What guys do you think of leading half pot OTF and barrel our hand? It's not a board he will be bluffing a lot when we have Ah and Qh, we are not sure at all he will 3barrel an AK type hand too. We looks weaker than by X/R flop or turn. There are also a lot of SDV hands that might Pot control flop and/or turn and which we can gain value by betting ourself
Everything is fine, as long as you take the initiative SOMEWHERE in the hand, just calling and hoping for villain to randomly bluff or valuebet worse wont happen too often.
Alright, so I suggested leading here for a variety of reasons:
-we flop da nutz, obviously,
-XR at any point is going to look incredibly strong, but we still want to go for max value here,
-our XC range usually has a heart in it, which makes Villain unlikely to bluff multiple streets,
-we block a ton of his potential bluffs (the less hearts he has, the more our range does,
-the fact that we block so many hearts is actually not that bad for our leading range - if he doesn't block the hearts, he might put us on more heart draws and call down lighter (although this one is more of a leveling thing, imo).
I've been thinking about this spot for a while and i think it's best to lead turn for less than 50% pot. This way we get at least one bet out of him and maybe induce a raise from villains lower flushes and sets.
What about a really big XR OTF?
What do you expect to get called by?
I like raising on the flop or the turn when you have both the Ah and Qh. When you hold both those cards villain's range is going to be much more skewed to TPTK/AA/sets than draws and it's not like people are going to be folding those types of hands in 3 bet pots all that often, especially at 20nl. I think a good rule of thumb is generally the lower stakes you're playing the more you should be trying to get value from your opponents rather than trying to induce bluffs.
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