200nl flop play in 4bet pot

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200nl flop play in 4bet pot

BN: $218 (Hero)
SB: $214.60
BB: $200
UTG: $250.12
HJ: $210.29
CO: $420.61
Preflop ($3.00) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 6 A
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $4, SB raises to $12, BB folds, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $12
Flop ($55.00) 7 9 5 (2 Players)
SB checks
Villain is 3betting a bunch from the blinds against steals, 30% from SB and 20ish% from BB, and I'm opening pretty wide from the button so I expect his 3bet frequency to be high against me for this reason (he probably 3bets less against a 30% BTN open for example).

We did not have very much history but I had the stat that he called 2/3 4bets in previous hands. The fact that I make it the 4bet 2 times his 3bet size makes me think that he'll call with pretty much all his range (thus I should probably merge my 4bet range against him?), which would probably contain PP that hit this board and SC as well, which confused me on what the best action was on the flop.

I didn't really want to face a c/r with my hand as I wouldn't know what to do.

I'd like some insight on 4bet size as well against someone like villain.

Thanks

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Billroy 12 years, 2 months ago
You have no indication if of where Villain is at; his full range is in play. You have an opportunity to close the action with a gutty to the nuts. I think a check behind is the appropriate move.

It seems as if your bet-sizing screamed out "button steal". Both your raise and 4bet were minimal. Was this done purposefully- to get villain to react to your perceived steal? I feel that you need to make your steal appear just like any of your button openings. I know it makes it a bit more pricey to do it this way, but the reward is well worth it.







Mike47 12 years, 2 months ago
As for the steal itself, I min-r with my whole range so it always looks cheap. I think it's the way to go with a wide button range. For the size of the 4bet, I tend to double it IP (I wouldn't double it OOP as I'd be facing a lot more flats) and people aren't that used to 5bet small back so I get a decent amount of folds by doing this.
Freddy 12 years, 2 months ago
i would check behind too.

i do not like your 4bet hand. if we know he is calling our 4 bets light i want a wider 4 bet value range. with this wider 4bet value range i would 4bet bigger too to get more value.

i would like to know which hands you call a 3bet with, 4bets for value/bluff and calls a 5bet jam.
WM2K 12 years, 2 months ago
I agree with the others that your choice of 4 betting hand wasnt great. I usually don t 4 bet so small but IP and with the right ranges I think it could be a good strategy. However you are going to get called a lot here so you want a hand that can flop a lot better then this. At the very least I d want a suited hand. something like K8s or Q8s sounds good to me.

As played checking this behind we re going to be facing a bet OTT a high % as it looks like we have AK or so high and we can t really call down so we re essentially giving up. I d bet like 35$ and then barrel on the str8, A and I think a K has gotta be reasonable.
Mike47 12 years, 2 months ago
I agree that against this particular villain, 4betting this hand isn't great. I didn't know he would be calling the 4bet this wide before making the 4bet.

In this spot I'd be calling 3bets with any suited hands and any PP/BW hands that I won't be 4betting for value against this guy. Facing a small 3bet from such a wide range of hands makes me think we need to fold very few percentage of the time when we have position.

For the 4bet value range, I guess 4betting 88+ and AJs+, AQo+, KQo, KQs is decent? I'm not used to wide calling range OOP so it's the tougher part for me.

I guess that I'd use hands like Kxs to 4bet bluff (worst kickers that I'm less confortable to flat with) as my 4bet bluffing range. I'd be unbalanced with this strategy but I think it would be a fair one until villain readjusts to what I'm doing.

Would it be good to 4bet hands with good equity like JTs for deception given he's less likely to 5bet and very likely to call? Or should I just keep them in my flatting range. (I'd also expect villain to flat 4bets with his premium range as he probably wants to protect his wide flatting range and avoid being barreled off too often, so this is why I think it's even less likely to face a 5bet).
vegandiet 12 years, 2 months ago
What do people think about this preflop strategy against this player though? I would probably tighten up and defend my strong hands and play some flops in position against this type of player.

As played i agree not the ideal hand to four bet with because of the terrible reverse implied odds of making a second best hand. I would rather four bet slightly bigger 28 at the low end and more higher when stacks go up.

I would fire this flop as played to flop, you have some fold equity you have some decent equity in the hand and your hand will be well disguissed if you turn a straight or a ace. I really dont like checking behind here.

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