2 pair vs weak player
Posted by Jeff_
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Jeff_
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Mid Stakes
2 pair vs weak player
Blinds: $1.00/$2.00 (6 Players)
BN: $227.13
SB: $200.00 (Hero)
BB: $314.18
UTG: $351.32
MP: $341.55
CO: $389.43
SB: $200.00 (Hero)
BB: $314.18
UTG: $351.32
MP: $341.55
CO: $389.43
Preflop
($3.00)
Hero is SB with
Q
8
, ,
Flop
($12.00)
8
9
Q
,
Turn
($25.68)
8
9
Q
5
, ,
River
($50.08)
8
9
Q
5
K
,
Villain is weak/tight player 22/14 with decent fold vs cbet, high wtsd and really low wwsf.
I'm not sure if I missed turn bet, pio mix it between check/bet huge and bet ~2/3. Seems like we can bet turn and block bet river. And river I'm not happy to call it off considering he is passive type of guy.
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idk what is correct but I d either check flop or block 3 streets. As played ya if he s passive we can t expect enough bluffs I d think and he probably checks KJ at least at some frequency.
Can you show the PIO results for this hand? What did you put for villain's preflop range?
I really like your flop bet sizing.
I don't have it now, I gave him ~64% which is very wide to be honest and in real life I'd change it to ~40%.
I'd bet turn, if he's passive and showdown bound betting will have better EV than check-calling because he'll check back most of his potential bluffs/semibluffs. I like blocking river too, with that read he'll call plenty of one pair hands.
As played I think you should fold river, most of the draws got there so he has just a few avaliable bluffs (and he's betting those with low frequency assuming he's passive). You beat some potential value bets but I don't think you'll be good enough vs a passive profile given that he has a lot of better value here.
Hi, I have a few questions as a small stakes player.
Weak means a fish here, right?
If so, why don't you go for at least flop/turn large bets for value here, like betting 2/3rd+ flop and overbet the the turn? Seems like we have a shitton of value, right?
Weak - fish.
I believe betting big and betting medium sizing have merits as long as we didn't label him as calling station, then I'll go big always. Vs medium size we let villain call wider range and we get our EV from that, vs big size he suppose to call less so we see many folds( even weak players fold vs pot size much more often than vs 60-70%).
Yeah turn could've been overbet, that's my mistake
Vs fish would fire turn, ton of value :). Also there is no need to balance vs fish ott
High WTSD = bet bet bet
Low wwsf = block bet / fold river easy
Not sure how decent fold to cb fits to high wtsd, but probable if he calls flop he has hard time folding turns and rivers = bomb turn.
this is a complete no brainer call. if he decides to overbet then yeah okay its kind of a tough spot and probably best to just fold due to poor blockers/the board run out. but villain can he value betting worse-he can think KJ/KT is the nuts as shouldn't be x calling many Kx on the turn and you range is mainly weak Qx or pair+gutter like J9/T9 etc. he can also be value betting a worse two pair such 98/95s/85s. so yeah snap call and if he has better then nh. but if you wanna fold 2 pair here then you are probably x calling like 10% on the river here lol.
it can be right strategy to fold 100% lol. But I'm not saying in this hand
yeah that's true, but that should only be in certain spots with very confident exploitative reads/board run outs. on this one he can have some air hands-J2s/T2s, maybe even AT, as well as some worse hands for value. but yeah I agree that on some boards we should probably fold 100% as villains never have enough bluffs due to the way that us humans play and construct our ranges.
fwiw i quite like the turn x call, sure we can bet again but the board can change a lot on the river and this hand x calling ott protects us from villain bet/bets. which is what happened and so is surely a x snap otr?? as it seems the reason we x call turn is to under-rep our hand and to let villain either value own himself or bluff us off of our '1 pair hand' range.
We don't have to protect x range vs passive people as they won't exploit it.
true but our hand is a very vulnerable 2 pair that gets completely de-valued on quite a number of rivers, so even if he is very passive vs our turn x I think its still good to x this hand ott and go for a x call/x call line or large bet otr vs IP x back.
any 6/7/J/T heart makes our hand go from almost always good to a pretty weak bluff-catcher, and probably -EV to bluff catch with as villain is passive so not converting enough hands in to bluffs. i'd prefer to bet QJ/QT ott than this Q8 tbh.
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