1/2 heads up Zoom - Interesting river spot with history

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1/2 heads up Zoom - Interesting river spot with history

Blinds: $1.00/$2.00 (2 Players) BB: $264.15 (Hero)
SB: $200.00
For some reason the RIO converter gets the positions mixed up. Hero is in the sb and villain is the bb.
Preflop ($3.00) Hero is BB with J J
Hero raises to $5.00, SB calls $3.00
Flop ($10.00) 9 3 2
SB checks, Hero bets $6.87, SB raises to $22.00, Hero raises to $53.05, SB calls $31.05
As you can see the positions make no sense. SB doesnt have first option.
Turn ($116.10) 9 3 2 A
SB checks, Hero checks
River ($116.10) 9 3 2 A K
SB bets $141.95 and is all in, Hero

Hi there,

I was playing heads up zoom and myself and villain in this hand were the only two guys in the player pool. I think I have seen him play quite a bit higher. At this point we played about 75 hands over 2 tables. Five minutes earlier the following hand happened (I cant figure out how to paste hand histories into the post itself. Can this be done?):

I open 95dd. Villain defends his bb. Flop 3h 4s 5h - check/bet/call. Turn Jc and River 6s both go chk/chk and villain shows 44.

Because of this hand from earlier I basically deducted all sets from his range in the hand in question hence the flop 3bet. He might just have been randomizing, hard to tell. In my mind a lot of his bluffing / semi-bluffing / value ranges all contain high cards though which is what makes turn and river tough to play. Any feedback very much appreciated. How about just shoving turn?

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Disharmonist 9 years, 11 months ago

Flop x/raise should only contain 22-33, 99 and flushdraws as well as 54 maybe. Now the A and K arent that much of concerns because they should only improve the A and K high flushdraw .Many Axs combos 3 bet pre or shove the flop. Given that he didnt come over the top OTF I suppose he has a weak flushdraw more often than not (I see many players that cannot get away even tough they know they should) and would call on anything that is not a spade.

Swoop 9 years, 11 months ago

All the hands you put in his flop c/r range do make sense normally, but given the other hand I initially posted and given the fact that he didnt ship the flop over my raise I´m positive that he doesnt have a made hand on the flop.

That being said. His flop c/r range does have to contain some bluff combos like Asx or simply overcards that get hit hard by the turn and the river doesn´t it? Additionally, given that a substantial part of his range (spade draws) obviously bricked the river, would he just ship the river anyway?

Swoop 9 years, 11 months ago

Thanks Jhuntter. My reasoning came from the hand we played before. By not raising the 345hh flop before w/ 44 he took all his set combos out of his range on similar flops - at least in my mind until proven otherwise. His range now consists of (semi-)bluffs and straight/flushdraws (maybe the occasional K9, A9). Yes, I do loose some value against his bluffs that would continue the turn, but I also will get bluffed off of my hand on most spade run outs, which is why I wanna get more money in on the flop.

Why would you prefer just flatting the c/r on the flop?

Jhuntter 9 years, 11 months ago

How come 345 and 932 are similar flops ?

Math isn't my hobby but I would assume villains range is all kind of draws + combo draws + premium made hands. When you 3bet flop the hands that continue are the hands that has atleast 50% equity or crushes you.

I think it's not weird at all to not check-raise 345 with a set and check-raise 932 with a set.

I don't have 3bet range either.

OMG_IM_SEXY 9 years, 11 months ago

really weird spot – Villain shouldn't really have much of a c/r range on 932 given he doesn't have any of the two pairs (maybe some of the suited combos depending on how wide he defends) or overpairs, so except for the very rare set his best hand here is A9. (so I'll just assume he is a weaker reg)
In theory we actually could start 3betting this flop quite often if he decides to c/r at any frequency which should make us want to incluce JJ in our value range, but exploitativly I don't think many players will really stack off there with A9 without a crazy dynamic, so flatting would actually be my standart (I almost never 3bet flops IP but that's maybe also cause i don't play ppl who c/r boards that i have a range advantage on often).

As played i like the turn check, A9 (which i think is quite a decent part of his range if we assume villain tries to somehow balance all the c/r bluffs he has here with value hands) and 45 both got there, I dont think K9 is stacking off and fds are folding ofc, so it would be pure protection play to jam here and pretty pointless aswell. Sometimes we might run into Axss aswell (you can never know what these guys are c/r with, haha).

River at this point is really just a guessing game i think.
+ for calling: we don't block any spades and have a legit bluffcatcher, all fds missed
– for calling: now K9 and A9 both beat us (maybe his entire flop
value range) and also 45 got there
Thing is, many players on 200 might view this spot such that they think their (OOP) perceived range is very fd heavy and therefore not overbet jam here as a bluff almost ever, while thinking they are really deceptive when they turn up with a hand like A9, K9 or 45 and jam in order to polarize themselves and get bluffcatched a lot.
So i would tend towards a fold, but that's just me guessing your opponents thought process, you might have some extra information that makes you qualified to guess better.

Hope i could help, gl at the tables

Swoop 9 years, 11 months ago

Thanks, that pretty much summed up my thinking on the river. Yes, I do not block any spade draws, but would he really just ship any missed spade combo that got to the river when the flush draw obviously missed and I should be having some kind of bluff catcher a good amount of the time? I didn´t think so, which is why I ended up folding.

I only recently got into playing again and am still getting used to the current games. I see regs (I basically play zoom only when playing head up holdem) raise these flops w/ hand ranges that I dont really get to be honest like A2 or A3. Maybe they think Im cbetting too much, but then again those combos all beat me here on the river as well.

I dont have more history on the villain in question here other than that he was at a vp bb of 70 over the 75 hand sample with a 21.7% 3bet. I dont think he has many 92, 93 combos here and even if we add some suited combos of those, my best guess would be that he´d just ship those on the flop. The ace turn sucks for my range as well as I dont have many aces in my flop 3betting range.

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