10NL - Folding QQ vs cold4b
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10NL - Folding QQ vs cold4b
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (4 Players)
SB: $10.00
BB: $30.65
CO: $20.30
BN: $10.00 (Hero)
BB: $30.65
CO: $20.30
BN: $10.00 (Hero)
Preflop
($0.15)
Hero is BN with
Q
Q
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No info from V.
Can this be considered standard? The population on these stakes seems to be tighter than higher limits, another thing was his big sizing.
Normally, the cold4bets tends to show only premium hands.
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I agree with you in parts. In MP and UTG tends to show only premium hands. But I don't think this situation above.
I don't fold this spot, because is a excelent spot to SB steal.
CO try steal, BN 3bet and all this can light. It's better oportunitty to SB try steal.
What do you think?
It was a good opportunity due to positions, I agree.
But his sizing (3,1x) is good or bad for us?
If I made the cold 4b, I would call for po, but I don't see if is profitable shove if we assume as cold4b AK, QQ+. We have 40% equity, how do we calculate the EV when we shove and he never folds? Is simply 40% of the pot?
And as I said I prefer to make a move only if I have notes/info.
Is the fold a bad fold?
No info, is realy complicated.
Involved stacks don't give space to 5bet/fold, so we have 5bet all in.
But we supose that the SB does this like TT+, AJ+, We have fold equity here.
TT, JJ and QQ (improbable), AJ, AQ and AKo probable will fold PF if we all in. I think he call only AA, KK and AKs.
Now, if the stats and info say that he to do only AA, KK and AKs, so we have fold.
See image I sent. I calculated if our 5bet is +EV or not.
Did you make on Excel?
A lot of villains are going to flat TT and JJ in sb instead of 4b so you can discount them at some frequency from his range.
The big sizing indicates to me that he does not want to see a flop so I would weight his range more towards AK or AQ than AA or KK. I could be wrong here but that is my read on the population.
Therefore I would 5b shove QQ+ and AK+ Vs unknown.
Vs 17/14/3 nit I would 5b AA and KK only.
Fwiw.. I don't think anyone who 4bets AKo to 31bb is folding to a 5b jam
"I don't know nothin from nothin." If I could sign my posts that's what it would say so take my comments knowing that I'm on a pretty steep learning curve.
If we assume that SB is always raising in this spot with KK+ then isn't folding every time -EV? And if SB is always raising in this spot then isn't 5bet shoving also -EV? Maybe not as negative as folding every time but we're going to be on the wrong side of the hand preflop anyway. So what about using a mixed strategy here and calling w/QQ? Wouldn't using QQ in this spot as a mixed strategy be the most profitable line? Always folding seems to me like the worst option since we never get to realize the equity is such a strong hand.
Higher is the bet (in this case a 4b) lower is our MDF (Minimum Defense Frequency).
Lower is the bet, higher is our MDF.
The SB made a big 4b, imo is better to fold or shove.
If SB made 2,6x or less, maybe I would call pre.
With no info call.
Yes. Excel.
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If we are to fold QQ here I can assume that we are only playing KK or AA so hopefully when we have these hands in this spot we are not 5 bet jamming and always calling. If we are playing only AA or KK in this spot we are highly exploitable imo since we would be 3betting this spot with many holdings and the blinds should be aware of this.
Its 4 way, we have 100bb and his 4bet is to 31bb, imo, I would be jamming here roughly 65% and calling 35%, with a 4bet to 22-26bb I would have a higher calling frequency.
If we think about all combos the SB has in this spot QQ is waaaayyy ahead, AKo/s, TT+, hands with blockers as bluffs like JTs+, QTs+, KTs+ etc, even low suited connectors can fit in here and the random brain fart bluff...
I agree with you.
How do you make this mixing of 65% jamming and 35% calling? Can I do this using our combos? Like calling with QdQc, QhQs and jamming the other 4 combos?
Another problem in this hand that I dind't mention is that I wasn't aware of the 4-way table since I was multitableing that moment.
call & gii both seem fine, only .9% of hands ahead of you here. If I was in villains shoes id be 4 bet or folding for most part a linear range of JJ+, AK, AJs+, KQs ; maybe even a bit wider given the short handed dynamic.
Yes Mancuso you can use suits, like jamming black or red queens and calling the rest, I use suits often for opens that I do less frequently (like Arag I will use only hearts in one day to cut my opens with those hands to 25%) you can also use a random number generator that you can keep on the side of your sessions and click it for decisions, it can be found easily on the net
Appreciate you all :)
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