10nl: Beating The Rig (BetOnline)
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10nl: Beating The Rig (BetOnline)
Here's a hand that demonstrates why - again - you just don't go in without the absolute nuts or some extremely good reason to do so otherwise.
BetOnline is a rigged site. It's the worst one out there. Rigged RNG, wincapping, bots, house players, collusion, you name it.
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NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
BB ($8.43) [VPIP: 57.6% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 67.8% | Hands: 200]
UTG ($10) [VPIP: 22.7% | PFR: 13.8% | AGG: 20.3% | Hands: 182]
HJ ($21.84) [VPIP: 18.6% | PFR: 13.4% | AGG: 39.8% | Flop Agg: 30.2% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 44.4% | 3-Bet: 3.2% | 4-Bet: 16.7% | Hands: 314]
HERO ($10) [VPIP: 17.6% | PFR: 12.2% | AGG: 28.2% | Flop Agg: 24.9% | Turn Agg: 35.9% | River Agg: 24.1% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | Fold to 3-Bet: 63.4% | 4-Bet: 7.7% | Hands: 6200]
BTN ($10) [VPIP: 20.1% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 28.8% | Hands: 202]
SB ($8.42) [VPIP: 63.2% | PFR: 5.3% | AGG: 54.5% | Hands: 21]
Dealt to Hero: Kh Kc
UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.25, HERO Raises To $0.80, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $0.55
Hero SPR on Flop: [5.26 effective]
Flop ($1.75): 8d 3c Jd
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $0.70 (Rem. Stack: $8.50), HJ Raises To $1.45 (Rem. Stack: $19.59), HERO Calls $0.75 (Rem. Stack: $7.75)
Turn ($4.65): 8d 3c Jd 8h
HJ Bets $1.19 (Rem. Stack: $18.40), HERO Raises To $7.75 (allin), HJ Calls $6.56 (Rem. Stack: $11.84)
River ($20.15): 8d 3c Jd 8h 3h
HJ shows: Jh Jc
HJ wins: $19.04
Same player, just a few hands later:
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software - http://drivehud.com
NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
SB ($9.15) [VPIP: 57.6% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 67.8% | Hands: 200]
BB ($10.15) [VPIP: 26.1% | PFR: 23.9% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 90]
UTG ($33.44) [VPIP: 18.8% | PFR: 13.3% | AGG: 39.5% | Flop Agg: 29.6% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 44.4% | 3-Bet: 3.2% | 4-Bet: 16.7% | Hands: 316]
HERO ($10) [VPIP: 17.6% | PFR: 12.2% | AGG: 28.1% | Flop Agg: 24.9% | Turn Agg: 35.9% | River Agg: 24.1% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | Fold to 3-Bet: 64.2% | 4-Bet: 7.5% | Hands: 6242]
CO ($13.38) [VPIP: 20.1% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 28.8% | Hands: 202]
BTN ($10.49) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 13.7% | AGG: 30.9% | Hands: 347]
Dealt to Hero: Kh As
UTG Raises To $0.25, HERO Raises To $1.15, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Calls $0.90
Hero SPR on Flop: [3.61 effective]
Flop ($2.45): Td Kc Qc
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $0.86 (Rem. Stack: $7.99), UTG Calls $0.86 (Rem. Stack: $31.43)
Turn ($4.17): Td Kc Qc Kd
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $7.99 (allin), UTG Calls $7.99 (Rem. Stack: $23.44)
River ($20.15): Td Kc Qc Kd 6h
UTG shows: Ad Ks
UTG wins: $9.52
HERO wins: $9.52
Then this:
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software - http://drivehud.com
NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
HJ ($42.99) [VPIP: 56.8% | PFR: 45.9% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 40% | 3-Bet: 12.5% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 39]
CO ($8.62) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 11.8% | AGG: 37.5% | Hands: 35]
BTN ($13.56) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 13.2% | AGG: 16.7% | Flop Agg: 25% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 16.7% | Hands: 39]
HERO ($10.32) [VPIP: 17.6% | PFR: 12.2% | AGG: 28.1% | Hands: 6245]
BB ($10) [VPIP: 37.5% | PFR: 37.5% | AGG: 50% | Flop Agg: 66.7% | 3-Bet: 50% | Fold to 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 8]
UTG ($12.31) [VPIP: 21.7% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 20.7% | Hands: 127]
Dealt to Hero: 5c 5h
UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.30, CO Folds, BTN Calls $0.30, HERO Calls $0.25, BB Raises To $1.30, HJ Calls $1, BTN Calls $1, HERO Folds
Flop ($4.20): 5d 9h 6s
BB Bets $1.98 (Rem. Stack: $6.72), HJ Folds, BTN Folds
BB wins: $3.97
You should see my graph on here - it's always the same thing: Monstrous winning (20+bb/100) for about 4k hands and then that's it. I won't see a chance to make money again for 10, 15, or even 20k+ hands. BetOnline is rigged and if you guys are going to play on these offshore sites, simply never go all in without the absolute nuts. You'll have to sit around for a good 100+ hours a week (at least. at least) a week playing, but you'll make money. Just do understand that at times, you're going to go what is the equivalent of a good 1-2 years worth of live volume without seeing a playable hand at times. Then you'll get hands like AA all in vs KK and lose. Then run into a set. And another. And yet another.
Blatantly rigged site. I put away a good 7 or 8 BI's straight on there and now we have the inevitable 2 BI dip that isn't real, isn't based on variance, and has nothing to do with anything other than the site timesinking winning players. Period.
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Whats rigged in this hands that you've played? First one is fine, you maybe could call ott and let him bluff again. Second one I think you should size down with your 3bet ip, but its fine. Third you can call and set mine if you have info that one of the villans is a weak player, bb goes for a small sqz witch is good for us.
I sat there for a good 600 hands with hands like this all night, resulting in a 2 BI downswing. I have absolutely no time for that and neither does anyone else. Graph needs to just shoot up. Once there's any stagnation or a loss of few BI's, it's time to withdraw and get away from the site for a while. Unfortunately you'll lose a ton of money over time if you don't hit and run the different sites today since they're all so rigged.
My 3betting with KK and him flopping JJJ is a rig. Do you have any idea how rare that should happen? Futher, it's a bot in the hand. A house bot. The AKo vs AKo split against the same plalyer? Come on...how can you possibly believe that's legitimate? It's not.
There's no sitting around playing for hundreds or thousands of hands not making any money. Let alone losing more than a quick BI here or there. Nobody has time for that in 2021.
Dude I think you need to attend some anger management classes or something - getting this het up constantly when you loose a pot won't be helping you poker game nor your health.
20bb/100 isn't really a sustainable win rate anyway over a large sample size. Need to learn to take the losses and just keep playing. There'll be multiple times you've hit a set against an over pair and GII - we never see these pots posted on here, just the ones you like to moan about where 'the site is rigged'. If its rigged, stop playing on it and stop coming here to moan.
You should really consider not playing poker, it doesn't seem you like it.
You're a massive nit playing 17/12 and you're surprised that every time you get someone to put in money against you they have a good hand?
Ditch this rigged mindset and focus on things you can control like playing better or you'll be stuck forever.
Massive nit? I play the hands they deal me. Why would I start playing garbage just so you can say "well, at least he's not a nit". You're supposed to be a massive nit in today's rigged, highly raked, and bot infested games. It's the only way to win long term.
get a preflop chart bro. I guarantee you won't be playing 17/12
Inaprropriate thread
It's entirely appropriate. It's time to show how to beat the rigs and the bots. It's not "variance" - that's a bill of goods you guys have been sold. It's "rigged".
Seriously man, this shit literally happens to me at least 2+ times most every session. Play 2000 hand session, you get dealt a pair like 8-11 times mathematically in that period (sometimes more, sometimes less). They are literally going to flop a set 11% of the time. That means you are likely to have pair vs set every session. Sometimes we overset people, sometimes we get stacked.
Because I have no time to hand back some of my winnings to a little pos who devotes his life to a card game. I need to keep winning and compiling money. There's zero time for 2-3 BI downswings. None. That's when it's time to withdraw and give the site a break for a few months.
3 buy ins? Come on? Is this a troll? Do you truly realize how easy it is to lose 3 buy ins per session?
I'm sorry but that's too much. I don't have time to put in 3-4 hour sessions and only lose previous profits. /shrug. People don't like working for free or negative money. Who knew? 2-3 BI's should never happen at 10nl. Not with these retards. If it does, I'm not going to continue just paying a rigged site off. That's part of how you beat the rig - Nothing but small deposits and once the nonsense starts, just withdraw and give the room a break for a while. Switch over to another. Never give any site a chance at taking more than a BI or two from you every great once in a while. BI's should be guarded and sold dearly in today's rigged, bot infested, and even house player infested games.
Dude, I have a 74/3 on my left after 35 hands. I have shoveled two buy in's into his stack. The first one I had middle set and he had a gutter, he caught it on the turn and I shoved river. He had 25+ combos I estimate he calls with along with the 4 that beat me. Within 35 hands, I had AA on a KT8x6 r board where he paid off two bets with 97o and caught a 6 on the river. He has some winners but there is no way I am slowing down vs this guy on this board. He has a ton of losing combos he calls. So tell me, am I supposed to slow down vs this guy or just accept that I am going to lose my stack sometimes? IMO I am making a massive mistake if I play these hands any other way, I am going to lose sometimes. We are not obligated to win my any stretch.
BTW, I am still up 4 buy ins this session because the overall pool is horrible and I just have to accept that I am going to lose and lose somewhat often with pretty strong hands. I mean, if you got AA in vs JJ 1000 times, you are losing just under 200 times. That's quite a bit.
I am aggravated because you seemed to be turning the corner but you keep reverting back to dynamic and it boils down to 1 of a few things:
1) you are under rolled and losing 3 buy-ins is a disaster. This is no way to play poker.
2) you are dwelling too much on the massive pots and getting destroyed in small/medium pots (this is sometimes hard to find)
3) this type of small edge game is not a good suit for your personality.
4) I am sure there are some more things, but you get my drift.
Dudes on here are giving out good advice on here every day but these type of posts start to become counterproductive.
I have seen a guy that posts on here (not going to name him) do at least 1 $100-$10,000 hand challenge, break even for a substantial amount of time at the lower stakes (he had a buy-in move up strategy, in other words, he wasn't jumping in 100NL games with $400.00), and reach his goal. I think he has done it a few times. Why does he achieve his goal? Because he laughs off the beats and just continues crushing and just compounds buy ins when he runs true/runs well. I have seen it on Twitch, 5/6/7 buy in's to stupid shit. He just laughs or makes a sarcastic comment and moves on and then bam!!!!!! 350bb pot with AA vs some moon dick stacking off with JJ.
Sorry to sound harsh, not a personal attack, but these posts are extremely counterproductive. If you would like me to go through a massive dB and filter for stuff like how often KK sees and flop and is an overpair (should be 70% of the time or so) I can do that. I don't see any point since I did it before when I thought I was getting hosed or the site was against me. But guess, what, even a 2,000,000 hand database is only scratching the surface. But, it is pretty f**king close to what it is supposed to be.
"350bb pot with AA vs some moon dick stacking off with JJ" - LOL
I needed the laugh. Just put away 1.5 BI's on BOL's 10z really quickly. 18/15/9 poker, maybe overthinking a spot or two. Unfortunately, that's the way I expect it to be most of the time and just have no tolerance to sessions where I have to basically "share the wealth". I just don't have time for it. That said, I do see what you're saying and am developing a bit more faith in results coming over time (because they are) but ... I just don't like not making money when I sit down. Period. And this requires a massive, massive amount of volume so of course, there are going to be a lot of things that go wrong pretty often. I just don't like it.
Could you stop with the "rigged" stuff. There is no incentive for sites to "rig" the microstakes and this makes your post and arguments lose all credibility.
For real man, take a good look at yourself. We've seen your hand posts, you play bad, the 20bb/100 you claim was pure luck. You can either accept that and a)strive for improvement b)quit c)just play for fun OR keep thinking you're the shit and have a mental breakdown every time you get unlucky and be unhappy your whole life. I promise no one that wines as much as you do can be happy.
"You're supposed to be a massive nit in today's rigged, highly raked, and bot infested games. It's the only way to win long term." That's false, nits get destroyed online unless the game is very soft and if so there's better ways to win more.
"2-3 BI's should never happen at 10nl. Not with these retards." When I was playing 5z I started with a 12BI downsing and proceeded to beat the stake for 11bb/100. So yeah, 2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 BI's should happen, if you can't deal with it leave and stop torturing yourself.
" I have no time to hand back some of my winnings to a little pos who devotes his life to a card game." You're pathetic, if you think you can win without devoting time and resort to insulting people who you think do and that you """deserve""" it more than them please, once again, take a good look at yourself.
"just have no tolerance to sessions where I have to basically "share the wealth". " You're not sharing it, it's not yours, you don't deserve it. In poker you (or anyone) don't deserve anything. You play 10nl and are bad at it, your ego needs to go down a couple (hundred) levels.
Also, if you want to play 6max against people that aren't bots nits or colluding im sure a lot of people here would be interested in playing you. Give us a call, we'll set it up.
I try to be nice to people but you're an asshole, just insulting and demeaning players you don't know and calling a "pos" to pretty much anyone that tries to improve their game.
Friend shared this Podcast with me for dealing with anger. Throwing these tantrums is your outward expression of your own self hatred. Enjoy the Pod. It will help. Pod
Try and get up to around 20\17\8 stats at least. Also show us your graph when you reach 10,000 hands.
Problem with your game is your range is face up. You expect people to stack off with AJ or KJ in 3 bet pot vs a nit (17\12). When you don't have a bluffing range they only give you action when they have the goods.
You keep saying this is why you only get it in with the nuts. I mean you are raising 12% of hands and folding to 63% of 3bets. Do you think that's profitable? With these stats I would lose 2 buyin easily just in blinds and raise folding.
You call hands garbage but did you know hands like K9o 54s k2s J5s etc are profitable RFi from the button?
Lets start with step 1. Tell us your RFi range from each position.
Dealing with downswings. It's under essential so you should be able to watch it. You said your a member. Video
I'll watch the video and listen to the podcast. Thanks.
Please do understand, though: I am legitimately winning. I'm better than I've ever been. I just don't like how bad or even flat things can go for periods of time. Any period of time really.
I'll get back to you with some stats. Those stats are also just compiled @ 10z with only a few hundred hands at reg tables. I'm winning the most at 20nl reg tables on another site.
OK...BTN open, as you've mentioned, is something I was already working on. I open pretty tight from the BTN in general because the blinds are really loose in my games. They don't 3b much, but both sb and bb flat often. So, hands like J5s and K4s are difficult for me. Over the last 6k hands or so, I'm only opening like 20% from the BTN in that pool lol. Again, though - It is mostly zoom and I have to say that I've just been remarkably card dead from the BTN at times.
I have sessions that are like 28/23/15 and also ones that are 12/7/6. Of course, it depends. Over that same sample of 6k or so, I'm ~18/12/8. You've posted 20/17/8 so we're not entirely that far apart. I don't know why someone would think that's some kind of ubernit.
RFI UTG: 5%
RFI MP: 30%
RFI CO: 58%
RFI BTN: 20% (lol)
RFI SB: 17%
Have we, however, always maintained that 6k hands is a virtually meaningless sample?
Even with a few punts, during that ~6k stretch, I'm winning at 6.81bb/100. EV is 6.47 so dead on accurate.
edit: Been a good night so far. Winning so much at 20nl that the 10z and 10nl games on BOL have become easier to be patient with tonight. That's where all my volume is and will be focused on for the time being: Global and BOL. I have over 10 BI's for both stakes on both sites and can easily redeposit more than once so bankroll really is a non issue currently.
You are not entitled to win because you have won before, or think that putting in hours has to guarantee money - this is entitlement at the highest. The only thing you can control is your play and your mentally. Those are the real "wins" and money is a derivative of that and not the source. Your game will improve once you fully accepted this and be at peace with it.
So true.
I've played and studied a lot in these last 2 months with very bad results. I'm feeling really sad because I was entitled to win. But yes, I don't deserve to win because I've put more work than before... I'm just an entitled bitch.
HeavyMask same here. You are not alone in this fight :))
Bankroll , mental, get a Hand chart impossible to be card dead in 6k hands btn 45% rfi co 35% these are your main postions for win rate force your self to open , 4 bet bluff more again regs not fish.
Pokers the long game i know its hard ever session not to see how your doing but over the years its means shit, i dunno u win like 60% 40% sessions maybe 55% even my biggest leak if tilting off or playing tired or trying to beat that session let it go.
We all have leaks i have to turn off the chat start chatting shit to fish when i lost 10bb once u work out what effects your game , dont do it period ! turn off you tube or that training video play 2 -3 tables not 4 , take a nap play an hr at a time work out have you been playing bad ?
if so why ?
anyways just my 2 cents use online to pratice for when live comes back then crush !
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software - http://drivehud.com
NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
CO ($10.72) [VPIP: 75% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 4]
BTN ($22.98) [VPIP: 57.4% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 35.8% | Hands: 55]
SB ($10) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 24]
HERO ($10.40) [VPIP: 18% | PFR: 12.3% | AGG: 27.5% | Hands: 7743]
UTG ($21.49) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 17.5% | Hands: 329]
HJ ($11.63) [VPIP: 19.2% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 30% | Hands: 202]
Dealt to Hero: Qd Qs
UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.25, CO Folds, BTN Calls $0.25, SB Raises To $1.25, HERO Raises To $10.40 (allin), HJ Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $8.75 (allin)
Flop ($20.90): 3d 5h Jc
Turn ($20.90): 3d 5h Jc Jd
River ($20.90): 3d 5h Jc Jd Kc
SB shows: Ad Ah
SB wins: $19.37
And I run into AA with QQ shortly thereafter. This will be my last hand folks. I'm done. Nothing more to say. This game blows and it's just not worth it. I'll be reporting all recent deposits on these sites as fraudulent immediately. These are rigged sites, period. You're a fucking moron if you can't see that.
Withdraw/uninstall. If I have to fold THAT often when guys are winning with A4o all in pre and 54s all in pre - I'm done. You're damned if you do damned if you don't in this game and the margins are too small. 10nl = faceroll and if it's not - buh bye. I don't care how much I'm winning on Global...this game is a miserable way to spend ones time
I'm just NOT folding those kinds of hands when guys are playing that loose and random and if that's not good enough - I'm out. Told you: I nor anyone else has time to sit there and lose more than a BI now and then. You guys going to 10+ BI downswings are crazy. That's your money. Don't let people rip you off like that.
get an x box and a few scratch cards a week , maybe get a monthly porn hub subscription think your be better off, happier at least this game aitnt for you mate
unless you want to play me heads up for rolls lol
Do you understand the difference between ranges when range 1 shoves all in and range 2 calls an all in?
You might work on your game enough to develop proper cold 4bet size.
In other words , your playing nitty and cold 4 bet shove. You are NEVER bluffing here EVER.
What do you expect to call you here except da nuts?
Make that 4bet about 2.75-3.00 in the hand above, if you do this and start bluffing in this spot sometimes ,your table image will change and you will get more loose action. But you won't because your scared to play post flop, am i right?
You have posted many hands with gross over bets, ask yourself why u do this.
Seems a like common theme, fixing this leak is much more profitable than posting bad beats over and over.
If you cant handle swings, just dont play. If it hurts you that much, dont hurt yourself. I'm not saying it any bad way, dont get me wrong. And this is from todays session, you are not the only one that runs bad on this forum. When you run bad just go in your tracker and see where you played bad. In every downswing is not just you running bad, there are for sure other mistakes you make. I've told you in another topic that I'm losing like 20bi (maybe even more after this session, lol) in under 30k hands, but you have to be optimist and focus on your game and the things will change. Good luck and again if you dont have a passion for the game just dont play it, if it hurts you this much.GL.
2 hours into a session i was stuck 15buy ins, yes that's 15 buy ins in a session.
Kept grinding and ended only stuck 5.
Right...so after all of that you only lost money lol. This is a ridiculous waste of time. I wonder how many years you'll waste before you realize it.
Do you not realize that losing 15 BI's and continuing to play - and still not winning - is just called a gambling problem? That's not "grit" or "determination" like these bullshit sites tell you. That's a gambling problem and chasing losses lol.
It's an example of short term variance. I also have experienced a session that ended +18 buy ins.
IDK if this has ever occurred to you, but you don't have spend your life grinding away 12 hours a day.
It's called a hobby, I make a living doing something else and i would advise u to as well.
If you want to make a living grinding small stakes, have a years living expenses and move to mexico or thailand.
See you next tuesday
No, you won't. I have no interest in spending another 10 hours grinding just to come across AA and top set fifteen times a day or wait for it myself. This game blows lol.
Tonylondon Game's not for me or most people. The overwhelming majority of people don't play or care about this game at all. And now I certainly know why. This is the slowest, weakest money you could possibly make. Nobody's doing this by choice lol. You're stuck here. Thankfully, I'm not. There is literally no job that makes less money than playing poker today. No...spending 100+ hours a week working to receive no or little pay isn't for me. Or anyone really.
And it's a waste of my time and true talents. I'm going to go focus on something that matters so I don't wake up in 30 years and say "wow, I was a poker player my whole life". I don't want that nightmare.
BigDickPlaya It's a good step forward that you realized poker isn't for you. Have much success with your activities outside of poker. Bye then
From what you are saying. You expect to make tones of money out of 10nl and 20nl?
maco I expect very little hangups or challenges at 10nl and 20nl. What you guys don't realize is that for that little money, nobody else expects to put in any effort or work, either. Everything else you could spend your time on is more lucrative. Everything.
If a 10nl pool on a site is going to be filled with players putting in 10+ hours a day, using solvers, and absolutely refusing to go deep into the hand without the nuts: The game's dead. It's a waste of time. Why are you even playing? Do you honestly think you're going to move up and earn enough money to live a nice life at some point? You won't. Nobody's a "poker pro" in 2021. At least not here in the States. Nobody.
whiteshark Unfortunately for the game of poker, 99.9% feel the way I do. This game has no future. There's just no place for it in today's economy with today's personality types. Sure, a few of you (it's the same few dozen enthusiasts always posting on here or 2p2) will just never let this go because you have a horrific gambling problem but don't ever, ever expect to see this game in the mainstream again. You won't.
maco Regarding your own losses, and others talking about 15 BI downswings in a DAY (lol): NOBODY but a few of you would put up with that. NOBODY. Almost every person breathing would put up with that bs ONCE and then that's it. Only someone with a gambling problem would keep returning to the game, expecting different results. Sure, you may have a good day here and there but overall - you're making virtually nothing. You're living in poverty. The thrill of victory? Ok, so I was willing to sit there for 12+ hours waiting for my spot while my opponent wasn't - So, I get it in with the nuts and he gets it in with the second nuts. I win. Whippity Doo! All that's been proven is that one player will throw his life away on cards. Period.
I put up with 15 BI upswings so I gatta take the 15 BI downswings its only fair.
And if you guys really think that the same few players at the same stake are constantly being dealt AA or top set every time I'm dealt QQ+: No. That's not real. However, if you're truly that gullible, poker is definitely the venue for you.
Seems like a lot of projection in your posts. Good Luck.
Yeah, see - nothing was actually said here. Thanks anyway, though. You're the guy with the 15 BI downswing (LOL!) in a day. I think you need the luck more than me, Son.
p.s. - nobody loses like that and keeps playing. Just you.
GTO Warrior Wait a second here. You're saying that since you earned 15 BI's you have to put up with giving it right back? And ending up back where you started? lol
Exactly. That's poker. I still ask you guys: What do you think is going to happen? You're going to keep "working on your game" and eventually move up to stakes where you're earning a comfortable income and providing yourself with a nice lifestyle? Off of online poker? Maybe if that was even a remote possibility you wouldn't see me bitch so much. It's not a possibility. It's a fantasy. You're always just going to wind up giving most of it right back.
For the record: I've never, ever lost like 15 BI's straight. Ever lol. I can't fathom how that happens. Beating the game isn't really difficult at all - It's time consuming to the extent of madness. After 12+ hours of stagnant bullshit at 10nl (lol), you really think I'm folding QQ two times in three hands? You really think people have the time and patience for that at $10 BI's? Apparently you do (and even at lower stakes) but I'm just saying you're in the extreme minority.
You're obviously an outlier bunch in certain regards (even for the better). Don't you understand how little patience and focus the average person has today? Dude...nowhere even remotely enough for this lol...
This is a bit of a brag and my recent 5k hands on ignition. I've always been consistent with poker and not having to deal with some of the swings pokerstars players put up with, but I would 100% play on pokerstars if I could. If you had a RFI chart your stats would show correctly after just a couple thousand hands. I have less hands then you, but you can see from my HUD stats are getting closer to correct for my RFI. That is my overall graph from recent year, based on day to day and not session by session. You can see on session win rate being 56% or something, that is per table on ignition. Can't win every table obviously! Have a good chance at winning 60-70% of your sessions vs soft pools though. Graph seems straight over time, but there are plenty of thousand(s) dollar swings in there. These are the type of results you get when you put in the hard work off the table and stay disciplined on the tables. Also this isn't even "crushing" as I have left a lot of money on the table not wanting to play for stacks in certain spots where I should obviously play for stacks.
Guy on the podcast talks about a 5,000 hand sample where he was winning 77bb / 100!!! This is in a $50/$100 private game. These runs happen! Also huge downswings happen as well even for good players. Back in like 2007 I knew a guy playing $16 SNGs. SUPER CONSISTENT winner with a 10% ROI with thousands and thousands of SNGs played. One day it was just a doom switch and he lost 100 Buy-in ($1600) over a couple months of playing. Got a coach, reviewed his sessions, Used Holdem resources, reviewed ranges and EV etc. Did everything he could. Turns out it's just VARIANCE!!! He keeps grinding and grinding and ends up printing money long run. Shit happens. As Saulo Said poker is like Walking in the rain. Get home, take a shower, and life goes on. Game is very profitable long run for those who have the mental fortitude to stick to it.
Look, I hear what you're saying but you have to understand that this isn't just about mental fortitude. It's about logistics. All the time these guys were on these horrific downswings: Everyone else with a real job was earning money. Solid, consistent money with zero of the bullshit attached to it that is with poker. Software, coaches, books, graphs, etc...for nothing. For less than nothing. Then, finally, after YEARS of this ...the guy goes on a run explained mostly by variance (just like the losses, as you said yourself) and he wins back some money. He's still living like a bum compared to everyone else who had a job this whole time only now he's so far into the game he's never going to get out. Congratulations, you're now a professional poker player.
If you think virtually NOBODY on the planet chooses this route today simply because they would love to but don't possess the mental fortitude to do so - you're in deeper than the guy in the story above. We are living in an even more entrepreneurial market than we were during the boom of the early and mid 2000's. Notice how there's NOTHING like that occurring right now, even with live poker shut down in so many locales? Zero poker spike, let alone boom. Nothing on TV, media, pop culture, and virtually no sustainable increase to online traffic.
Believe me: If this were lucrative or even remotely worth the time and energy it takes ...there would be people jumping all over it right now. I won't even go with the self brag but I will say that in my early 20's I generated - on my own - a marketing program with a corporation and between salary and commission earned over $175,000 in three months. Please, please tell me what kind of opportunity exists like that in poker today. Any? Nope. Some of you don't seem to realize how little money you're really fighting for here and how much money some other people your age are making, putting in a fraction of the time or energy.
Not to be the person to doubt your claims, but if you “earned over $175,00 in three months” why are you letting a 2 buy in ($20 loss) have any impact on you? I wouldn’t class 2 buy-one as a downswing tbf, if you play a high enough volume you’ll experience 2 buy in losses near enough daily during your sessions.
I think you just need to accept poker isn’t for you and move on seriously
And I think you and others here - as I've definitely highlighted extensively - need to understand that the game today needs players like me more than we need it. Poker isn't for almost anyone today.
I, nor any other sane person, as time to lose any buyins other than every now and then. Nobody works for free and this game is all about high volume so ...where's the money? After a few hours at the tables, it's time to get paid. Not gonna happen? We're out. Everything else we could spend that time on would have already paid off.
Covid did create a poker boom online. If you don't see it you are blind. Also the podcast I shared and the fact guy is able to play $40,000 poker games and make $30,000 side bets most likely means he has made millions. I wouldn't call a guy who made millions a BUM! LoL what world do you live in? If that guy is a bum, THEN SIGN ME UP! Would love to have millions in the bank. You should change your name to Nancy, Negative Nancy!
There is so much poker offers besides money that "real jobs" don't! How many days off are you allowed? Also how often do you get a raise? Only in poker can you get raises based on your skill set and only have to answer to yourself. Mean while YOU have to request time off, ask for sick day, work 40 hrs a week, be on time etc. Beg the boss for a raise after 6-12 months. Mean while in poker people are going from 50NL to 1KnL in the same calendar year! Who do you think made more? Who had more freedom?
Plenty of opportunities to make 175k in poker. You just dont have the skill set that others do.
You keep posting hands or KK vs AA, QQ vs AA, set JJJ vs QQ etc. Then talk trash about them having A4o and 92s etc. Where are these hands at? Then expect us to believe that you raise 20% on the btn and have been card dead over 6,000 hands? That is truly something only a troll \ nit would say.
You have thick skin? But sound like a bitch over losing 2 buy-in. Maybe use that 175,000 on some mental coaching and elite membership. You must be broke if you can't afford to move up stakes where they respect your raises. Talk about beating 20NL, but keep posting 10NL HH. You are just an entitled little bitch! Probably peaked in high school. Gf \ wife \ husband left your broke ass because you don't have listening skills or money. You remind me of those Karen videos. Think world revolves around them.
I tried to be nice but you didn't watch or listen to anything anyone posted. Please go back under the bridge you crawled out from. Never seen anyone complain about not being able beat 10NL for 3 years straight in my life!
If anyone can find it, there is an old thread, maybe 2 years ago, with this same fuck face complaining about 10NL. Someone played 10,000 on the site he was on and posted the results with a crushing win rate. Proving its not bots, its not rigged, he just fucking sucks at poker and thinks because he gets dealt QQ+ he's entitled to double up. Also have a friend crushed global for around 32bb\100 over 50,000 hands. Will post the results if I can. You are just a fucking joke bro. Never met a bigger loser in my life. Have more respect for homeless people. They are broke but are not bitching about it.
tldr: This is what I'm talking about - nobody has time for this today over a silly card game. Everyone playing this game online today is broke or made their money elsewhere. Once people are at the tables for a few hours and get QQ - it's time to win some money or it's time to go do something else with our day. Nobody has time to sit on their ass grinding for the nuts all day and night.
You seem to not understand the game remains so unpopular today because people do feel entitled to be paid for work. That's how the world operates. Poker doesn't fit into that scheme so everyone gets paid doing something else. Poker suffers as a result. Nobody is impressed by anything anyone does at poker today. You literally NEVER hear a person utter a word about the game in the States.
edit: And you guys just refuse to read. It's obvious why you play poker. I was - and can anytime I want - crushing 20nl on Global. Crushing. Which is how it's supposed to be. I told you...even losing a few bi's to any nonsense on any site is just too much money to give someone else. $2, $4, $800...whatever. This isn't a charity and if it's not straight profit all the time, I just don't have the patience for it and neither does almost anyone else. Entitled? No - a product of today's marketplace and economy where everything makes more money than this. You think you work hard. No, you work stupid.
I mean you’re wrong on multiple parts there, the game definitely does not remain unpopular.
If you think this is a game of pure skill you’re definitely in the wrong game. Look at it as a business model rather than on a session basis, do you think casino’s make money every night? If they did no one would go back there. You need to put in the volume and understand variance, which I think may be above your intellectual level to understand.
Yes...it's definitely my intellectual level that causes poker to be terribly unpopular in the States. I mean, sitting around and waiting for AA is just something I can't comprehend.
But that’s exactly the point, you shouldn’t be sitting around waiting for AA...
You wonder why people are only ever showing up with the nuts against you, but you’ve answered your own question right there
You still just refuse to listen: I have no problems winning. I don't always just wait for AA. I bluff far more than you would believe. But that's the point - it takes FOREVER, still and is terribly boring. It's just a timesink. You see two all ins there where I basically just gii to either get lucky or post them. It's always AA dude. Always. Nobody but the donks will get it in with less anymore. They're not bluffing or developing a 5bet bluff range lol. They're just firing money around. You have those players and then the regs who just refuse to pay anyone off. They play 18 hours a day and peddle the nuts while also playing 21/18/10. I mean, I play and have a database. There's no mystery here.
You see a 17/12/10 zoom line from me and then also realize that I'm playing 28/23/15 at times. That's not "tight". That's how you're supposed to play. But you're going to spend fucking HOURS a day folding, folding, folding. It's boring. There's nothing overly complicated about it unless you want there to be which is the case with many of you on a site like this. All this fucking nonsense with theory and solvers lol. It all boils down to the same thing when the game starts and always will.
We’re gonna have to agree to disagree here. You’ve had plenty of advice from some very good players but are refusing to listen to any of it or review any of the leaks in your own game. If it upsets you that much playing or if you think you can make more money else where, you’d be way better off doing just that. Leave everyone else be and let us get on with playing a game which we enjoy playing.
At the end of the day if you’ve come here to make some quick money you’ve picked the wrong incentive to start with
I'll grant you all of the above, but it does raise the question, if so,why are you posting bad beats in this forum? Public service?
GL
This thread is AIDS and needs to die already
It's not AIDS. Poker is AIDS. Threads like this are the cure.
Made 175k and waiting for stimulus check to play poker LOL. Story checks out.
17\12 is a nit. You said 5% from UTG? LoLz. "Im not waiting for AA" troll claims...
Still waiting to see your graph. This "crushing" 20NL sample you started playing 3 days ago. Claiming to win 6bb\100.
I'm at 20bb\100 at higher stakes, but poker is dead and people only make money outside of poker. 20NL HIGHEST YOU PLAYED in how many years playing poker? You are definitely wasting your time if you haven't figured it out yet.
Can you break down your opening range? TT+ AK+ from utg? AQ+ 99+ Mp? Please break ranges and post your graph. I could use some more laughs.
15 to 1500
Thought this would be an inspirational. Guy went from $15 on ACR up to $1600. Showing the game can easily be beat! When he said staying away from blackjack I thought of BDP.
Wow. $1,600. That's some fucking achievement!
Yup and didn't bitch once about the variance. Bright future of him. Not living in the past holding onto something he did 10+ years ago.
BDP you seem like a nice guy from our messages, but I took a look at your posts and it seems like you've been like this for years which makes you certified insane.
You're another one who has no idea what he's talking about. Maybe you should go read the 2p2 forums to find out what insane really is. I do quite fine in my day to day. True story.
BigDickPlaya just screams virgin with a small dick.
While I agree this thread kind of sucks, lets not turn this place into 2+2 if at all possible. (I admit I did chuckle though ;) )
The best strategy to deal with threads that are senseless and suck is just to not respond imo. Also, don't feed trolls.
The thing is - you're getting reviewed on your 2nl play. 2nl. You have no business being in threads telling people playing 20nl and 50nl, etc that poker "isn't for them". As a 2nl player, you have absolutely no idea whether or not this is for you yet. None.
Lol what a knob
LOL
GAME OVER THE END DEACTIVATED WHAT A WAY TO GO LOL
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