10NL - 3 barreling vs missedCB in 3bpot ip
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10NL - 3 barreling vs missedCB in 3bpot ip
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (5 Players)
BB: $10.12
UTG: $10.15
CO: $15.05
BN: $10.20 (Hero)
SB: $10.05
UTG: $10.15
CO: $15.05
BN: $10.20 (Hero)
SB: $10.05
Preflop
($0.15)
Hero is BN with
9
T
, , , ,
Flop
($1.85)
3
T
J
, ,
Turn
($3.65)
3
T
J
7
, ,
River
($7.27)
3
T
J
7
3
, ,
20k hands from V.
14,3% 3b vs BU open
8,5% 3b from BB
45% CB in 3bpot
51% X/F in 3bpot
1,4AF in general.
We have TT, some JJ, JTs, 89s in our value range.
But we also have some Ah2h~Ah5h, QKs, and other combos.
Do you think this will be a profitable move?
I didn't want to X back river 'cos I think most regs know that the population does not tends to bluff OTR in microstakes.
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showdown value is good too, x/b turn see what happens river
Check flop or turn. This is overly fancy.
Not a big fan of AF, but bellow 2 means the player puts a lot of the stronger hands into their XC range or call down light.
Think you are going to get stationed a lot here.. people don't like folding top pair+ and you are probably going to lose money trying to make them . C/b Turn
So, the best option here is X/back turn to realize our equity in a cheaper way?
And give up otr when we miss?
What range we may include in our bluffing range? Could we X back turn and bluff any A, K, Q, 9 or any hearts?
I don't think you will get 3 streets of value with this hand.
Yes we have an OESD but some of our outs are taken away due to hearts.
I think check back flop or turn is probally best and evaluate the river.
villain may look you up on the river with a and like 99 88 66 55 as well.
River is a bluff.... we could never get 3 streets of value with this hand.
Also we only have GS on turn not OESD. Don't think hearts are relevant as population at 10nl tends to cbet Flush draws on flop, not c/c unless he has SDV aswell (like Tx with hearts which he still would probably cbet anyway).
I apologize for the miss read of the hand. Was on my phone when reading the hand and i guess i didnt fully look through the hand.
This river is not a good one for bluff.
All your two pair combos were beat by his overpair. What do you think he calls flop and turn with? He check calls only because he don't want to face a raise on such a web board.
Everybody could call 3bet with T9s?
I fold it.
What more do you call here?
A large range, he is 3betting wide vs BU open.
I would call a lot of suited connectors, strong suited aces.
And 4bet some one/two-gappers connectors, KQo, a few weak offsuited aces, plus all 4b value range to gii pre (TT+ AK, and maybe AQ(?)).
I think I would stab flop and turn (big) and give up on the turn. Once Villain x/c flop his range isn't nutted I think, but once he called he has something, probably a marginal hand ,that don't want to fold on the flop. If you bet big on the turn you could get a lot of FE imo.
I don't fire 3 barrells without a read, yes you apply a lot of pressure, but the board isn't that scary and once he called the turn, I don't think he wants to fold KJ, AJ or something like that.
So in the end imo, bet flop (1,20), bet turn (3/4 pot) is my line vs somewhat marginal hands
3B range is on the tight side with low CB%. Not the type we should stab+barrel optimistically against. His range should hit this board pretty well, but this is also that type of board where cautious players will be cautious and check plenty of decent hands.
It's fine to take a 1/2 pot stab on the flop on principle when you see his c/f stat, but I think you don't want to put more than one bet in on the flop/turn against such a profile.
Stabbing flop right away with pair + BD draw+ fold equity should be profitable in a vacuum, even if you don't have plans to barrel. Checking flop gives you the opportunity to see him check again (or not) and then you'll know more where you're at.
Seeing two checks is a strong indication that you are ahead with your pair and you can proceed accordingly in whatever way you deem best. If he bets turn after a flop check-check, I would expect that to be with a strong/honest range and we can proceed according to that.
Maybe he could have AT or hands like that, hands that doesn't fold flop but could fold OTT. Assuming he cbets all his value, his x/c should contains marginal hands that aren't happy to continue when Hero continue with betting
Vs this type of V:
Is X'ing flop a good opportunity to make an easier/safer bet ott?
A double X range oop is very weak imo.
If he d-cbet ott, we call (except big sizes) and X behind or raise when we make a hand.
Is this line too passive?
I would not assume that a 8.5% 3B / 45% CB guy who folds half his checking range OTF is easy to barrel, once he check/calls once. His 3B range is pretty tight to begin with and he seems to play it cautiously. There are many turn cards that will improve his c/c range, too.
Second statement is spot on. Whatever the situation is, every additional check you see weakens opponent range by a lot (not exactly rocket science, but easy to forget in spots where it's tempting to stab right away).
We need to add some adjustments to the range/player type we're up against, but the principle is strong. People are notoriously bad at defending checking ranges and they tend to overfold more and more, the more checks you see.
As a ballpark number, 65% fold after 2nd check is typical from what I've seen in some database analysis work I've done.
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