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KK, facing donk bet on flop & turn, bvb in 3b pot - 100nl Zoom (FR)

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KK, facing donk bet on flop & turn, bvb in 3b pot - 100nl Zoom (FR)

BN: Starw!nd: $182.06
SB: kopieto: $303.89
BB: MattHeap81: $103.50
UTG: Qoon02: $50
UTG1: bystry1989: $100
LJ: ToTheEnd460: $495.34
HJ: frosty012: $104
CO: trianox456: $34.24
Preflop ($1.50) (8 Players)
MattHeap81 was dealt K K
Qoon02 folds, bystry1989 folds, ToTheEnd460 folds, frosty012 raises to $2.26, trianox456 folds, Starw!nd folds, kopieto calls $1.76, MattHeap81 raises to $10, frosty012 folds, kopieto calls $7.74
Flop ($23.26) 6 8 9 (2 Players)
kopieto bets $10.63, MattHeap81 calls $10.63
Turn ($44.52) 6 8 9 3 (2 Players)
kopieto bets $28.50, MattHeap81 folds
Final Pot
kopieto wins $41.56

Didn't have my HUD on so no stats on villan (and haven't got him tagged unlike 75% of players in the pool), just noting that he was up a decent amount in the session.

When he donks and I flat, after I 3b pre, I'm expecting him to put my range largely filled with overpairs and obv AK a little. So when he then goes onto bet 64% on the turn (pretty quickly), which would leave $54.37 eff on river with a pot size of of just 101.52, I just felt he was super strong and certainly beating one pair, hence my decision to fold in game.

On reflection though, just wondering why he wouldn't go for a CR if he flopped a straight, set, or two pair?

Any merits to raising the flop?

Should I be going with the hand and just calling him down?

Anyone jamming the turn?

Would really appreciate contructive thoughts on the hand.

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NutStewie 11 years, 9 months ago

He could be leading with worse overpairs (TT, JJ), and when you flat, then assuming he's good, you have AK and just looking to take you to v-town. His bet sizing is super strong, so I don't think he's ever bluffing here. He could also have a hand like 9Tcc, or something similiar, where he's got a piece and a gutshot, which improves, and now he's going with it. Vs all the hands I can give him, I don't like your equity at all.

I'd be folding the turn too, I'm quite a nit with one pair hands (yes, we only have one pair!), although I hardly ever play full ring, so take what I say with a pinch of salt. 

total_bollix 11 years, 9 months ago

you have one pair.   

The river was going to be 60 ish to call. 

I'd be folding in the absence of good info/history that he can fire 2 streets with a worse hand. 

Chael Sonnen 11 years, 9 months ago

Make it 12 pre-flop.
Call on the flop is the only option.

Can someone run it through pokerstove? You lose to 66/88/99/89 and you beat TT/JJ/9x/7x/T9/P+FD/random bluffs.

I would probably shove the turn. I play 100NL as well (6max) and I see too many people spazz around with random hands here.

Insilicio 11 years, 9 months ago

I would call turn and river, since I think donkbetting this flop with a set doesn't make too much sense. Not for a regular, since overpairs are probably going to cbet and the only thing u accomplish with a bet is letting air fold, so betteri to c/c, so I would say he is more likely to bet, and not for a fish, since they like to slowplay their nuts, and he can easily have a worse valuehand (overpair, 9x), that doesn't really want to face hard spots OOP. 

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