100NL Zoom
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100NL Zoom
Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (6 Players)
BN: $196.62
SB: $59.09
BB: $103.93 (Hero)
UTG: $245.80
MP: $140.76
CO: $129.07
SB: $59.09
BB: $103.93 (Hero)
UTG: $245.80
MP: $140.76
CO: $129.07
Have only 48hands on villain so its kind of readless, and on those few hands it is nothing that sticks out.
Preflop
($1.50)
Hero is BB with
Q
J
, , , ,
Flop
($8.00)
Q
2
J
, , ,
Decided not to raise here since its such a dry flop and i block his pair barreling cards.
Turn
($19.00)
Q
2
J
3
, , ,
Final Pot
BB wins $43.09
Rake is $2.03
Rake is $2.03
Anyone playing this differently?
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Looks pretty good. WP.
I'd xC turn, and xR blank rivers, and xC most of the more scary ones. I'd be worried that if i xR an earlier street here i don't have enough hands that can call 3 streets. I'd be squeezing AQ and KQ in these positions so if i raise QJ at any point the best hand i can get to the river with is QT, which really isnt gonna be comfortable calling down, especially as the T blocks some of his bluffs.
Raising here folds out all of villains bluffs, and he can have quite a few (T9s, AT, KT, backdoor diamonds) and the only hands that call are ones that will probably bet the river anyway.
I also doubt you are ever bluffing in this spot. Maybe KTdd or 9Tdd but probably not always and even then that's only 2 combos.
Ya that was what i felt, i dont really rep any bluffs. I like your answer, it gets us more polarized.
I think a good amount of bad players will just call with draws (charging them is great) and on some occasions you`ll see bad villains even ship it with overpairs believing you are on a draw... although in reality your range is really value heavy.
I don't think x/call is bad or anything but x/raising I think is maximizing your ev (especially vs weak players that overvalue their hands).
Against fish or bad regs maybe you're right, but why are you assuming villain is bad in this hand? He is full stacked, has used good/standard bet sizings and nothing OP said implies he is a weaker player.
I`m not assuming anything about villain here. I am just backing his play as not being bad and giving an example of when it should be max ev compared to check/call.
Of course vs unknowns you can easily go for check/call and have lower variance.
I think we are very value heavy obviously. but a strategy that i dont see much, but i personally like, is c/r hands that are at the top of our folding range and have equity. I think t9dd and ktdd have enough equity to call, so i actually don't love check raising those, its not entirely necessary. What is we c/r other T9 combos ? We cannot really call with T high OOP because if we miss, we cannot really win the pot (we could use it as a c/r river bluff, but we wouldn't wanna be blocking his missed straight draws). We dont have the odds to just call either, so it seems raise/fold are our options. I would not want to develop a big c/r range here, but T9o seems like a good candidate to balance with QJ or Q3
I see no value in raising here. Your nearly never have a draw with a good enough equity to call a reraise/shove. And because of that I see you nearly never bluffing in this spot. Thats the reason why I think calling is better than raising here, also because youre get the full stak seldom in the middle, because youre nearly blocking everything what he coudl shove with(excl. AA, KK)
Its actually very bad, because heros range is so narrow here that smart villain can comfortably explo fold everything but the top of his range (JJ-QQ) + combo draws and absolutely can`t be exploited.
I think his betting range on turn could be something like : JJ+,AQs,KTs,T9s,AdKd,AdTd,AQo
And let's say he is only continuing with:
JJ+,AdKd,AdTd,KdTd,Td9d
- do you think he is ever folding any of these hands?
- vs that range we are 70.7% favorite.
- if we are x/calling vs a villain that is capable of shipping with the above range we are loosing good value because they will give up a good % of time on missed rivers.
You`re missing the point here.
As i wrote in the previous comment, his continuing range should be : QQ-JJ,AdKd,AdTd,KdTd,Td9d, which is around 58% favorite vs hero`s perceived range of 22,QJ if you wanna look at it that way.
But thats not whats important here, what matters is that hes not gonna stack off with combo draws but just call instead and fold if he misses otr and call down with JJ-QQ because heros range is face up.
And besides folding out his bluffs that should barrel decent % of the time, always raising top of your range and 2 combos of combo draws you might have, leaves you with a calling range of 100% bluffcatchers.
great answer SPrince, i agree with your thoughts, i think a lot of players would make 3rd barrel OTR with their whole range on blank river... are there any rivers u would like to donk ? and which rivers u would x/c and which x/r and why?
SP,
If you think villain will only bet/call turn with the range you've described, then XR turn will probably be the best play with any two cards !
We can c/r T9 combos that now are now at the top of our folding range. they have equity but can't call
I'd generally bet flop.
I don't get why we can't be bluffing here...T9, KT, AT, Jx can all be used as bluffs if you think he's going to be way overfolding to a turn raise.
edit: also getting to the river with 100% bluffcatchers on some rivers does not mean you've done something wrong on a previous street.
If you are raising the turn here, what hands are you ever going to have that call 3 streets? Would you just work out what % of your river range needs to call his bet and then stick to that regardless of how weak your hand may be on the river?
If QT is the strongest hand we get to the river with, i think i would be folding to a river bet 100% of the time vs a guy who has opened, cbet into 2 people, and then continued firing.
The implication of what you're saying is that villain's river value betting range is (or should be) just {set}. Even QJ isn't a value bet if you fold all of your Qx. That seems insane to me.
Yeah you're right, and in villains shoes i would 3barrel probably KK+ for value (maybe AQ too) because i dont expect people to fold Qx, but i think they should. I guess i'm just playing really exploitatively. I know i would not call down with Qx, which makes me very bluffable in these spots, but i would expect others to call me down with Qx.
Nice comment, definitely got me thinking!
Some merit to lead OTF?
my english sux, u asking why lead F? to put pressure on sandwiched CO, which must be afraid of BTN which didnt acted yet
My english sucks too! :D
i ask if there's some merit to donk on the flop
I like your line here. You can be XR turn here with a mix of Qxdd, QJ, 22, 33, Q2s, Q3s, 54s, A$W suited or not, combo diamonds, random gutters/OEs like T9/KT/AT, A2, A3 type of stuff. That should allow you to have some options on various rivers. Obviously don't XR turn as a pure strategy with many of these combos or else your range will be exploitable for too much on the river. I wouldn't be aiming for a large cumulative XR frequency here, something like 4-9% seems fine. QJ seems like an excellent XR combo because you'll lose value from overpairs and big Qx on many rivers.
Flop ($8.00) Q 2 J
Hero checks, CO bets $5.50, BN folds, Hero calls $5.50
Sauce:
"You can be XR turn here with a mix of... *33... 54s,*"
Me: It seems a little odd to show up with the hands the (bolded) hands that you've included here...did you (mis)-read the action?
Ben,
In theory and as a short term explo line sure, but it shouldn`t take villain that long to figure it out and adjust.All though it might not
This sounds ok, but am i wrong to not have a x/r range here at all ?
Besides leaving our range weak otr when we do x/c, my main point is that villain should have some stronger draws that we don`t and will be blocking almost all of our combo draws leaving our range more weighted towards value.
Does that make sense?
there are hands that need to fold to a bet here. using some of those to bluff seems pretty good
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