I think we have to call here since we checked. Are we going to check fold with such a strong hand? Not on this card IMO. The only hand that makes sense we're afraid of is J10. If he has that or a flopped set/turned boat then it's a cooler and so be it. We bet the turn from the blinds after the flop checks around and now we check river. Put yourself in his shoes. IMO our line looks pretty weak. We'll still have 16bbs or so if we're beat which isn't great but still leaves us a few moves to make. I call.

I think you shouldn't exclude he could be value betting TT, T9s, and even 87s if he is not that tight as you mentioned because UTG+1 has a weaker range than normal (chip leader + active). Also, if he is indeed tight, you could even add JJ to his PF range and to his value range otr. As ralphykid mentioned, your line became so weak, that he could try to thin value bet overpairs here.

At the same time, I would only consider 3 combos of JTs, since it's likely he would either bet on the flop or raise ott with JsTs. So I think it's a call here.

Thanks guys for replies

I have to say i wasn't even thinkig to check/fold on the river. I know my line seems weak and i agree he would value bet TT and JJ and 98s, but not 87s.. i suppose you meant 98s (if he have it preflop). But do you really think he would check TT or JJ on the flop in 4 way pot?? In my opinion he could check 98 or T9 on the flop becouse he block hand that he can get value from. But like i said i wouldn't even give him 98s preflop. If i would give him 98s preflop and TT, JJ not betting the flop it would make it value bet for me OTR.
The most important factor is how often does he check JTs, TT, JJ, T9s, 99, 88 or broadway flush draws OTF. And i suppose i would like to know your guess on this question.
And still would like to know what would you call preflop on BB.
Multiway pots.. still most mysterious issue.. ;p

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Preflop
I guess in your hh antes are 400 . With an open and 2 calls we have very good odds. I would defend pretty wide here around 80 % of my hands.

Flop Did Button has some tendancies of stabbing when checked to him? That could maybe include some premiums preflop hands in Pankka's checking flop range.

as played river , I think once we checked our hand is too strong to fold although due to your sizing turn and his check flop I don't see so much bluffs or value cut
I think he might sometimes bluff with some A highs: AT AJ.
I don't either see so much value hands in his range.
Our range look pretty weak.
I call.
interesting hand I d like to know the showdown ;)

#johnyarmless

Thank for your reply!
Suppose you meant 6 combos of TT or JJ (with spades). That would give 12 combos of worse value bets.
Additionaly I agree he shouldn't have JsTs (becouse he would probably stab OTF as a combo draw).
But if he would have so many worse value hands which i excluded before (maybe wronlgy) than it is value bet for me OTR and fold to a jam becouse i doubt he would bluff the river after my second bet when im not capped and still can have plenty of strong holdings.
I have to say as i think more about this hand i also think its quite unlikely that he would check FD OTF than call on paired board OTT and bluff OTR so this would make even bet/fold a better option OTR for me (and i would choose little bit lower sizing so i would lose less).