Sunday $162 6-max

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Sunday $162 6-max

Blinds: t40/t80 (6 Players) MP: 3,673
CO: 6,700
BN: 8,069
SB: 6,038
BB: 15,703 (Hero)
UTG: 4,817
Only three levels and Hero busted two young kids. Only player that isn't a fun player is BTN who is a fun regular. Hero plays vpip/rfi/3b 56/62/13.
Preflop (120) Hero is BB with 3 5
2 folds, CO raises to 165, BN calls 165, SB calls 125, Hero calls 85
Flop (660) K 5 2
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 349, BN calls 349, SB folds, Hero calls 349
Turn (1,707) K 5 2 4
Hero checks, CO bets 563, BN calls 563, Hero calls 563
River (3,396) K 5 2 4 J
Hero checks, CO bets 1,120, BN folds, Hero raises to 14,626 and is all in, CO calls 4,503 and is all in
Everything seems pretty standard until the river. A good friend that was railing my table said I am the most insane person for this river play on a tournament. I usually lean towards having filled ranges on all streets, so if I want to be bluffing on this river, 53 no spades seems the very best bluffing hand by blocking a good portion of the top 5% of hands that he gets to the river on a spot that his folding frequency with Kx is expected to be high.

What you guys think ? How much I should be willing to take this spots on MTTs ? One clear argument is that having 20k or 14k changes nothing on the dynamic so I should be looking to make this less often when I already chipped this much.
Final Pot CO wins and shows three of a kind, Fours.
BB lost and shows a pair of Fives.
CO wins 14,642

Thanks friends.

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OneTime1Time 9 years, 11 months ago

I don't mind flatting this flop, as there are lots of way for this hand to go good for us on turns. We have lots of running draws, and are getting a decent price to see what shows up. That turn card isn't too horrible, as it gives us a lot of 2 pairs.

If that's our given plan though, I think we are better to be x/r on turn to start to really define his range. When he calls our x/r, we can pretty much always assume we are never good, and can x/f the river, or hope he just goes to showdown with the weaker ends of his range. I'm pretty sure we can just never call a river bet after taking that line.

I'm usually an advocate for putting pressure on people, but I also like to wait until antes are in play. This just seems to be a really early spot where you are relying on V to make at least a hero fold. Seems high variance to me.

Rapha Nogueira 9 years, 11 months ago

If turn was heads-up I'd be much more inclined to raise. Multiway only on 5/4d/3 turns I'd raise. Well, not really worried about variance when I am too far ahead of the players at the table.

CHEL1tw 9 years, 11 months ago

I don't really like the river shove, you'd probably raise turn with 22 55 A3 36 against 2 players with that sizing.

I would just call turn and give up river when missing.

Maybe another option is to raise turn since they aren't showing too much strentgh and u can definitely have all those hands i mentioned, but i don't think i would tend to do this early on in this tournament since as andre said, people tend to not fold their hands very often, specially against this weird line

Rapha Nogueira 9 years, 11 months ago

Nope, that deep, with two people left to tak OTR I'd play K5s/54s/55/22/A3s/63s as a double x/c. If I want to x/r two pairs I'd probably select a smaller sizing.

Nipun Java 9 years, 11 months ago

In my experience there are not a ton of triple barrels in multiway pots with one pair hands, but if you believe his range has many combinations of one pair hands, I don' mind your river shove, although your hand looks like a bluff, so don' love it either. How would you have played KJ?

Rapha Nogueira 9 years, 11 months ago

This guy showdowns and what he has shown his flop betting frequency is extremely. Well, I don't see how I am bluffing that often on this spot since I need to turn 5x or 2x into a bluff and those hands need to improve in equity OTT for me to x/c. Actually, I am underbluffing OTR.

SPrince 9 years, 11 months ago

Your hand doesnt look like a bluff to a competent player but a fun player is never triple barreling worse then Kx which hes almost never folding.
Agree with Andre, fold flop when btn calls and you`re oop vs both of them.

Rapha Nogueira 9 years, 11 months ago

On a general approach, I wouldn't bluff against the strongest portion of his range. This seems a spot that his bet sizing path isn't consistent with strong hands no matter if he is recreational or not.

He didn't actually have Kx and from his timing and sizing, I am confident that he lay down this type of hand (he tanked a lot with a much stronger absolute hand strength hand)

S.M.S. 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't mind calling flop getting that price.
Your bluff certainly would perform better in HU pot rather than multiway both because his range would be weaker and you range could be stronger vs active player.
Doubt you c/c 2 streets 3 way with many strong flopped or turned hands and yes after he bets river small, BTN folds you could turn some hands in a bluff while J otr doesn't improve your BB range a lot.

Rapha Nogueira 9 years, 10 months ago

J is a total blank I don't think I am repping anything related to that with my line. Yes, I am totally x/c nut hands multiway this deep since I fear no cards on rainbow board when ranges doesn't connect well with straighty cards

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