spot in the hotter 55 turbo
Posted by mave8383
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spot in the hotter 55 turbo
Info on villain: he is a LAG playin 26/19 over 76 hands. Any sugg. how i could have played the hand differently? Thanks!
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $50 Buy-in (625/1,250 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26963491
BB: 19,467 (15.6 bb)
UTG+2: 15,740 (12.6 bb)
Hero (MP1): 16,926 (13.5 bb)
MP2: 53,836 (43.1 bb)
MP3: 26,390 (21.1 bb)
CO: 9,635 (7.7 bb)
BTN: 43,342 (34.7 bb)
SB: 18,119 (14.5 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q
K
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to 3,125, 2 folds, CO raises to 9,485 and is all-in, 3 folds, Hero calls 6,360
Flop: (22,045) 2 5
7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (22,045) A
(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (22,045) 2
[spoil]Results: 22,045 pot
Final Board: 2
5 7 A 2
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On turbos you can't do much here. KQ has excellent blockers but is usually behind but not that far. You can't raise/fold it to 7bb stack. The point is to shove pre or fold.
Profitable shoves: 16.6%, 33+ A7s+ A5s-A4s ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ J9s+ T9s
KQo is +0.64bb and your decision in this situation, without ICM issues should be jamming this.
Thank you Raphael. Thougt about jamming too. Next time i will! ;)
Sorry if this is an awful question, but how do you determine such an exact range in this spot? How do you know it's +0.64bb? Link to website/program/whatever it is please.
Hey bro! Of course not. I use holdemresources calculator. I also have ICMizer here, but I prefer using it when situations are a little more complicated like cold 5b jamming. To this folded to us situations holdemresources is the best. It assume that if is folded to us, which hands you can shove profitably, given dead money and cards dealt probability.
Thx for that, much appreciated!
Definite open shove.
Yea this.
I prefer to raise/call and fold if two people go all in.
This always seems the better option to me - some hands you would like to fold will jam but some dominated hands that would fold also jam and balance those out at least a bit. And as Sam points out, we can still get away if there is strong action behind.
For those that advocating open jam, is this something we are doing with our entire range and this stack size? At what stack size does raise/call or raise/fold become preferable.
Not sure why Hero chose to 2.5x instead of MR, but are we not able to raise/fold (against say sub 5% 3bettors that cover) or raise/call against looser 3b'rs and shallower stacks. Do we not potentially gain more (assuming we think we are better than the field) by playing the hand in a way that allows us more options?
With our 10.6% range, 55+, KQo+, AT+ (MP1)
Profitable jams against MR
MP2 5.7%, 99+ AJs+ AQo+ KQs
MP3 6.7%, 88+ AJs+ AQo+ KJs+
CO 6.3%, 77+ AJs+ AQo+
BN 6.7%, 88+ AJs+ AQo+ KJs+
SB 7.7%, 88+ 44 ATs+ AQo+ KJs+ QJs
BB 8.6%, 77+ ATs+ AQo+ KTs+ QJs JTs
Profitable jams against 2.5x
MP2 5.9%, 88+ AJs+ AQo+ KQs
MP3 6.5%, 88+ AJs+ AQo+ KJs+
CO 6.3%, 77+ AJs+ AQo+
BN 6.5%, 88+ AJs+ AQo+ KJs+
SB 7.5%, 77+ ATs+ AQo+ KJs+ QJs
BB 8.3%, 77+ AJs+ AJo+ KTs+ QJs
I like it as played against those stack sizes. You can call off the 7bb stack but as stated above can fold to further action and saves you your stack.
Getting it in and losing isn't the end of the world if you have only 6bb left.
Also I would only min raise. Making it more than 2500 is unnecessary.
I rather shove pre because some hands like, 66 on the MP3, for example, will have a hard time calling with three guys left to talk and flipping a stack against two opponents isn't profitable at all and it can re jam us with greater FE.
If we are profitable shoving, it will be 16.6%, 33+ A7s+ A5s-A4s ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ J9s+ T9s
Profitable calls against our open shove of same range 11.2%
MP2 5.1%, 99+ AQs+ AQo+
MP3 5.6%, 88+ AQs+ AQo+
CO 6.3%, 77+ AJs+ AQo+
BN 5.6%, 88+ AQs+ AQo+
SB 6.3%, 77+ AJs+ AQo+
BB 6.3%, 77+ AJs+ AQo+
That's true but it's also player dependant. Only info we have here is stack sizes and in to those stacks I think you can conceivably r/f to all except the 7.7bb stack (or of course r/c depending on player). If everyone was sub 15bb I would shove for sure. Also the isolating ranges to your shove don't vary that much to their shoving ranges if you just min raise. No one is folding 77+ AJs+ to your raise anyway.
And of course play style. This is a very generic hand to try and give advice for. I have a r/f in these spots but you or OP might not.
r/f is dominated by open shove.
everyone has 13.5bb effective.
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