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Splashy player 3 barrels me

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Splashy player 3 barrels me

CO: Dendi44: 4819
BN: bias28: 15559
SB: wetrag: 20222
BB: one4damonkey: 6086
UTG: tommynyomy3: 20318
LJ: Wombatox: 28329
HJ: molnet: 23230
Preflop (1200) (7 Players)
bias28 was dealt J K
tommynyomy3 folds, Wombatox raises to 1600, molnet folds, Dendi44 folds, bias28 calls 1600, wetrag folds, one4damonkey folds
Flop (4400) 9 J 2 (2 Players)
Wombatox bets 2040, bias28 calls 2040
Turn (8480) 9 J 2 8 (2 Players)
Wombatox bets 3672, bias28 calls 3672
River (15824) 9 J 2 8 6 (2 Players)
Wombatox bets 8262, bias28 calls 8147, and is all in
Final Pot
Wombatox has Q Q Wombatox wins 32818

Villain has been raising every pot. I have just re shoved on him twice in the past 10 hands and he has folded. Thoughts? 

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megatr0n 11 years, 4 months ago

tough one, usually the 3rd time they have the nuts.. you maybe could've folded river but flop was standard not sure about turn

Thomas Clack 11 years, 4 months ago

The issue is not postflop, its preflop.You've got under 20bb starting the hand, i don't think flatting these spots is profitable, if you think he's opening wide, we can just rejam pre which is +ev, we can 3b/fold or we can just fold.

In terms on shoving pre, Just giving him a calling range of 7.2% which is 77+ AJ+, to shove profitably villain must fold 65% of the time, this roughly means he needs to be opening over 21% of hands from this position, the more hes opening than 21%, the more +ev it will be to shove, (assuming he has the same calling range.)

Actually this doesnt account for the players behind sorry, so he'll have to be even wider. Personally i just fold though

p.s im assuming this is 400/800 blinds. pre ante. i'd probably lean towards a fold. But play around with pokerstove to see what kind of range 21% is.



Justin Marsh 11 years, 4 months ago

I don't agree with this at all.  If we are playing at a soft table where we aren't at much risk of being squeezed then there is a lot of value of flatting hands IP.  There are going to be hands that we don't want to shove preflop but where calling>folding so if you limit yourself to playing allin/fold in this spot you are going to be folding away equity.

I'd have shoved turn as played.  There are many bad rivers for you and his range is full of hands that really want to see the final card.  He will also probably play his made hands/bluffs fairly well on the river so your just letting him realize his equity when much of his range hates you shoving turn.

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