Size doesn't matter, or does it? (Strategy disscusion )
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Size doesn't matter, or does it? (Strategy disscusion )
I noticed a few months back a very good reg on 1 of the networks I play opening from 2x-10x and found it very odd. At first I thought it was a terrible strategy but it intrigued me enough to start studying his play a bit to try and figure out why he does it and what he's trying to accomplish. I've been experimenting with it myself lately and I must say, it's brilliant. I'd like to hear some responses about large pre-flop sizing before I talk about why I think it's such a good strategy. I don't know anyone who plays this way, so I figured I'd consult RIO to have a discussion about it. So....
What benefits do you feel you gain by opening to a large size?
What negatives do you feel are caused by this?
What stack sizes(both you and your opponents) do you feel is a good time to stray away from the standard 2-3x?
What table dynamics do you feel this works best for?
What are you trying to accomplish by doing this?
What style of play is best for incorporating this type of style?
Looking forward to having a good discussion about this and I'll chime in with my thoughts as well.
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Into $27 or less I think you can exploit people on this fashion but in higher stakes people will fight out back much more often and playing a smaller SPR without much protection is going to get you into trouble. A few months ago, a guy with A smth nick was 4x, 5x on ST and made $200k in two weeks on HS MTT. But I don't think in overall is a good strategy, since in a environment that is so competitive and people are very qualified, this should be usual if was that profitable.
Against calling stations I rather go big, 3b larger than usual because their FE is almost 0 and I usually have an post-flop edge, even oop.
IMO it's all about game.
What benefits do you feel you gain by opening to a large size?
when you level, it benefits you more, if you have the situation understood holistically.
What negatives do you feel are caused by this?
when you lose, you feel more pain, or see more colors of frustration.
What stack sizes(both you and your opponents) do you feel is a good time to stray away from the standard 2-3x?
Impossible to awnser (position/history/imiage...) You just have to go Ninja mode, and counter adjust. like a fuckin kung fu panda
What table dynamics do you feel this works best for?
Adjustments are usually best for all tables after history has been made. more history, more dynamics.
What are you trying to accomplish by doing this?
Therapuidic release, of anxiety. Nick Rampone is beast moding me in 5 card PLO (props) in the 82$ Scoop-M. (getting closer to the $)
What style of play is best for incorporating this type of style?
Art/Mathematics/Human-Beings, just be.
Raphael,
This strategy has been working for me all the way up to $530's, but I admittedly play on very easy US networks where even most of the regs are pretty bad.
Here's an example of when I would do this. Let's say we're UTG with 45 BBs with TT and average stacks at the table are hovering around 20bbs. Blinds are 500-1K. I open to 6X, what can the players do at the table besides go all in? I try to do this when my raise is close to about 1/3rd of the average table stack. It tightens up ranges and reduces the ability to 3bet me light without shoving. While some can and will abuse this, most don't adjust well enough and don't want to risk an all in. It leaves them the option of flatting or shoving, not really anything in-between. If they flat I now have the opportunity to play a bloated pot with someone who has capped their range (even though I'm out of position I feel I play better post flop than most). It gives me easier decisions and control of the hand without giving them the option of getting into a 3bet/4bet pre-flop war. Most tournament players out there don't play well post flop, but their pre-flop game is pretty fine tuned. This large sizing goes against everything they're watching in training videos where min raising is standard. I also find myself in HU pots a lot more where I can really push my edge (post flop HU poker).
Would I play like this in a Stars Super Tuesday? I'm not sure, as I don't have the option to try this on a real poker site to see how well it works, but in the soft fields I play where everyone plays pretty standard to what the current MTT training videos advocate it throws them through a loop.
Not sure if I explained my reasoning very well or not. I'm better at doing things than I am explaining things to others. I had the same problem in math class where I would get the right answer without being able to show my work.
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