Push Ranges deviation
Posted by Risva10
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Push Ranges deviation
Hey guys so after about 2.5 months of hardcore studying and SNG grinding I have to say I don't see the results I expected and I think it's cause I am not adapting correctly to the looser ranges recreationals tend to have which also leads to regs having tighter ones. But should I really be pushing less when its a clear +EV shove? I will find myself shoving 17BB 6 handed with 66 etc. should I stop making these shoves and take the lower variance route? I try to take advantage of the Bubble as the chipleader but people don't really care, I thought my strategy should be making money when someone makes a mistake and calls light but doesn't seem so. Also sometimes I will study on SNG coach quiz, do you think this is bad for lower stakes since its all nash ranges?
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What stakes are u playin?
What kind of sng? How many players?
Hey 9man mostly but plenty of 18mans too. 1.5$ trying to slowly go to 3.5$, I need like 20 more buy ins to go up.
Have you tried 45 man sit n gos? When I played them seriously they were the softest by far. Even with the added variance.
Will definetely give them a try man! You play stars too?
A little bit on stars. I've moved to MTTs now and I don't play as many on stars, mainly on 888 and Party.
Ok, those types of SNGs are well known for the ICM presence since from the beginning. That's why some people say that play tight is right. I usually play 18man sngs on PS; i am a winner at 7.50 usd. I usually take advantage by knowing the singularity of any kind of change in the blinds in my game plan (comparing to my stack size).
6 man left is almost bubble time in 18 man sng's (4 players itm), to focus on your example (shoving 66 with 6 man left, 17 bb); the point is, you must know what to do in every position that you will open; in UTG, i can open/call or open/fold 66 depending on the villain status in my HUD and also his stack... if someone shoves in my head, i must pray to a coin flip in the best scenario, and with a healthy stack (over than 10bb) i can manage to win without that kind of coinflip.
The stack size have a huge impact here... because if utg+1 and cutoff were short, than i am the cutoff... so my perceived range should be wider than the UTG; if i know that the villains in button & blinds are aware of this concept, i would probably open/call easily with 66... but again, i can find an excuse to fold, if i really believe that i have a good edge over the field.
So yes, i would balance that kind of play untill 10 bb's, play push/fold (and i don't care what kind of chart do you memorize) will increase your variance over time; so, sometimes you can push, sometimes you will open/fold, other times you will open/call, based on how you fell the game... your position, stack size, and opponents perceived status. Don't simplify just to push/fold.
Even in late positions, sometimes, considering the villain profile (if he is over agressive, for example), it's more profitable to open/call with 66 than just push... you are giving to him the chance to shove his Ax, brodaway x and other weaker holdings into your 66, some of these holdings he will just fold when you push.
So you should know what kind of plays you have room to maneuver accordingly your stack size. In 18 man turbo sng's that kind of knowledge separate good players of top class ones.
Kind regards,
Thanks for the detailed answer. After thinking your answer through I am probably missing the point playing too straight forward and missing profitable exploits. I think I've gotten more afraid to be creative after studying ranges and numbers so much. Thanks again man!
I think you answered your own question. They call to much so Tighten up a bit and exspect to get value when you have a hand more than you deserve.
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