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PokerStars 50€ 25k GTD - Flat JJ 35bb [effective stack]

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PokerStars 50€ 25k GTD - Flat JJ 35bb [effective stack]

LJ: 30250
HJ: 28391
CO: 20274
BN: 122561
SB: 16406
BB: 20861
UTG: 22672
UTG1: 24260
UTG2: 30639 (Hero)
We are in 350/700/85.
UTG1 35bb
Hero 44bb
LJ 43bb

Middle stage of the tournament. Far away of itm.
Preflop (1050) (9 Players)
Hero was dealt J J
UTG folds, UTG1 raises to 1400, Hero calls 1400, LJ calls 1400, HJ calls 1400, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds, BB calls 700
I hadn't played many hands with them but I know UTG1 is pretty tight, something like 18/8 in over 110 hands and he has a raise first in early of 7%.

If I 3bet vs this player, the times he 4bet shove, I will not have an easy call of 30bb with JJ vs a guy who seems tight.

Well, 3bet is right most of the times, but here i liked to flat.
Flop (7350) 3 9 6 (5 Players)
BB checks, UTG1 checks, Hero checks, LJ bets 2100, HJ folds, BB folds, UTG1 folds, Hero raises to 6300, LJ calls 4200
Well, in this point, after UTG1 checks, I think I have the best hand most of the times. TT+ would bet most of the times in this spot vs 2 players, and sometimes maybe check/raise. AQ+ and some middle pairs like 77-88 would be playing check/call in this spot. Maybe ATs-AJo+, too.

LJ is a fishy, 25/8 in 95 hands and doing some random moves preflop in the last hands. His range has any broadway suited and non suited plus all the Ax suited and some Ax non suited. Middle and low pairs too.

My fear here is play for stacks vs 33, 99 and 66, so I liked to check/raise this spot the times LJ bet. I will know if UTG1 is slowplaying sets or QQ+ after this point.

If LJ check, I will bet 60% of the turns (The turns without clubs, Q, K neither A), and x/c all the other cards to x/f most of the rivers.

If after LJ bets and UTG1 calls, I will reraise. These times I think he will play for stacks with TT+ and sets and would fold his overpairs and middle pairs like 77-88 or less. It´s a risk, I know, because when he reraise allin my x/r, I will be facing sets and TT+, but I think x/c vs 2 players with overpair is give away my equity and x/r flop to do a fold whit those stacks is not good.

But UTG1 folds and vs a weak player like LJ I think the best line is bet turn and bet allin river.

Turn (19950) 3 9 6 K (2 Players)
Hero bets 7399, LJ calls 7399
River (34748) 3 9 6 K A (2 Players)
Hero bets 15455, and is all in, LJ folds
Final Pot
Hero wins 35513

My doubt here is: I like to bet Kh turn, but river ace is the problem... I´m not sure if it´s the best card to do a 3rd barrell. ¿Will you play different this river?

¿Do you think this hand, postflop, can be played different? Thanks all. :)

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CairyHunts 11 years, 3 months ago

Why are we turning our hand into a bluff on the turn? I don't quite understand the logic for bombing turn and river w JJ here versus someone we perceive to be stationary and having lot of broadway/fd floats in his range. Your line doesnt make a lot of sense to me, when u are repping a lot of midpairs. He's most likely on a flushdraw w T9/JTcc, which are like the only hands you will be folding out on the river. I can most certainly treat your turnbet still for value/protection, but otr we will only fold out FD's but i dont think to many KQ's and especially no Ax combos (w/ or w/o FD's).


I don't mind the flat vs UTG+1 btw, think I don't have much of a 3bet/gi range (for 35bb) versus a nit opening UTG+1.



mikehunsucker 11 years, 3 months ago

interestingly played hand. sucks playing JJ out of position, against so many players, without the preflop initiative.  I would most likely 3 bet pre and evaluate, but I understand why you chose to flat.   We give the stacks behind such a good price, and we are essentially set mining with JJ after we flat. 

 That being said, post flop, is played very creatively imo.  You are severely underrepped on the flop, which can get value from a lot of hands, villian is betting.


The river ace is a GREAT card for us. We can continue repping strength.  there are almost no aces  in his range.  And if he has the nut flush draw, and hits an ace, it isn't a strong enough ace for him to call with(besides maybe Ac10c).  AK would most likely 3 bet preflop, and AcQc will most likely raise and play for stacks on the flop.  I highly discount sets in villian's range, because there are multiple people in the pot, and the flop is so draw heavy.


My main issue with this hand is our sizing.  by raising flop, and using your turn sizing, it looks we only have a 1/2 pot shove on the river.  Villian puts in half of his stack by the turn. 

I think his most likely holding in this pot were QcJc, Qc10c, Kc10c, all hands that picked up a lot of equity on the turn.


side note: UTG1 was most likely to have had a big ace in this hand.  if he has been raising a tight range from EP as you have described.  The fact he didn't Cbet this low, draw heavy board, then gave up immediately, indicates an AK,AQ type hand to me. 

I honestly think we shoved the best hand on the river in this spot.  Always nice to big up some many chips w/o showdown though.  

thanks for posting the hand.  I'm looking forward to more responses from other players

CairyHunts 11 years, 3 months ago

I like your thinking here, tho if he has an Ace, I can't really see him folding the river actually, given the potodds. Its more likely he had either pairs up to TT or fd's non-king and non-ace, because a Kx FD will most likely jam turn, and an Ax FD will call river. Or at least should. Tho I expect some to just jam/3bet flop w Axcc draws.

Not really sure about 3betting UTG+1 here vs a nitty EP opener. 

We might fold out an awkwardly played QQ tho, but thats about it.

CairyHunts 11 years, 3 months ago

It's just that i see no reason to take this line post flopraise, which is prob insanely hi-var vs stations that can have weird Kx/Ax combos floating etc.

Stephen Chidwick 11 years, 3 months ago

I like the preflop flat. I think we have to bet flop though once utg1 checks. Its kind of a disaster to have it checked through and theres almost no hands we want to catch up against us. If you are going to x/r I would make it quite a lot bigger vs his tiny bet, probably close to 10k, and then shove turn when called.

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