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PCA preflop strategy

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PCA preflop strategy

Played the PCA main. noticed a ton of 3betting and squeezing, more then expected. lot of hands were not being shown down and wasn't sure what ranges were being used. Everyone was raising/peeling 3bets cause they were small sizes.
This is a simple but interesting spot in my mind on day 2.
HJ raises to 2k at 400/800/100. he was fairly solid and young.
I'm in the CO with KQo and 34k in chips. I flat.
Sb, young player,seems aggressive but don't much about him, squeezes to 6600.
HJ folds.
Thoughts on all the call and what to do now?
I thought it was too strong to fold/3b bluff, thought ppl were peeling a lot and flatting avoids getting squeezed. does anyone flat at this point to the squeeze?

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Rapha Nogueira 10 years, 3 months ago

This is probably high on my flatting range but it doesn't have that good playability on most situations. When the players behind are very aggressive I like 3betting more but as played I'd fold. Tyler's last video talks about equity realisation on some spots, that may be useful to you think deeper the spot.

FIVEbetbLUFF 10 years, 3 months ago

the issue i had was that 3b to avoid getting squeezed doesn't seem like the greatest logic. plus, ppl flat 3bets a ton, like there was very little folding. so I'm not getting much FE pre. I'm not really sure either if I'm ahead of his calling range as he had reasonably strong opening range, tho its not weak enuf to just 3b with blockers for FE imo

StayCalmBuildStacks 10 years, 3 months ago

I think you played the hand fine. I am prone to flat in your situation, because you are most often going to play this 3 handed in posistion, with the BB and the HJ.
When the SB raises I fold as you did, as you will be in some crappy spots postflop.
Flatting IMO is the worst option.
If you have seen the SB do this often, or know him to be very aggressive, you can 4-bet jam on him and have a decent ammount of fold equity.

FIVEbetbLUFF 10 years, 3 months ago

i just see so many ppl like never flat here and am curious why they 3b nearly their whole contuining range? To block it from going mutliway? Imo it opens the betting up to initial raiser a lot and that doesn't seem great when we have middling hands like KQo that have to fold to 4b but play decent in single raised pot IP.

Sam Grafton 10 years, 2 months ago

3 betting linear live is really good. I mean you say youself no-one folds to 3bets live, so you get peeled by Q9s+ and KTs and a lot of people (incorrectly?) 4 bet AQ so your in position with a dominating hand.

FIVEbetbLUFF 10 years, 2 months ago

seems expliotative though, if 3b nearly whole contuining range, then ur opening up the betting action a ton, and he can 4b you a lot to counter your advantage of being relatively deep IP (not sure why i dont see this more). your taking away a lot of positional advantage by opening up betting action again and maybe letting him 4b

FIVEbetbLUFF 10 years, 2 months ago

seems expliotative though, if 3b nearly whole contuining range, then ur opening up the betting action a ton, and he can 4b you a lot to counter your advantage of being relatively deep IP (not sure why i dont see this more). your taking away a lot of positional advantage by opening up betting action again and maybe letting him 4b

Joseph76 10 years, 2 months ago

What Sam said above, plus not to mention that you're going to take the pot down a bunch when both you miss post flop (given that you have the initiative and position). Especially if he is of similar stack size to you - tough to float you out of position.

FIVEbetbLUFF 10 years, 2 months ago

seems expliotative though, if 3b nearly whole contuining range, then ur opening up the betting action a ton, and he can 4b you a lot to counter your advantage of being relatively deep IP. your taking away a lot of positional advantage

Joseph76 10 years, 2 months ago

You're right that sometimes you'll face a 4bet bluff, but mostly a 4bet will be a hand that dominates you. You mentioned that a lot of 3bets were getting peeled anyway (so no 4bet), which doesnt suprise me too much live. Against a wide 3bet calling range KQ is going to be doing well. Plus you have the advantage of being the aggressor in position post flop.

That being said, a lot is going to be based on your perceived image too. If you'd been 3betting a lot, a call may be the better play. Also you have to think about the likelyhood of getting squeezed by aggro players acting after you, as in your case. As Raphael Nogueira mentioned, he prefers the 3bet in this case.

As the hand played out Im not sure whether I would call the SB's 3bet. Im guessing eff stack sizes are about 40bb. I m not sure I would be 4bet jamming that often. If you call I think youre going to be facing a flop cb the majority of the time, so its really going to down to how comfortable you feel you can play the hand post flop vs SB.

schifty1 10 years, 1 month ago

5b, i mostly agree w u. i flat all day here v the initial raise. 3b is cool cause he might fold a lot of Ax hands/small pairs because of a playability disadvantage oop. flatting is cool because of the stuff you said- he's wide, we're in position, we don't reopen, etc. and we probably have hands that benefit more by 3b that don't play as well as flats.

flatting the squeeze doesn't seem terrible to me. i haven't done any rigorous work. we're getting almost 3:1 and we'd be playing flop at a SPR of ~2, so it seems hard for us to mess it up too terribly post.

it'd be great if you knew how sb thinks about this spot. i'd have a tighter squeezing range here because of the spottiness (i think its an obvious-looking spot, so i'd expect them to defend wider both by flatting and 4b). and i'm more willing to flat some hands that others 3b (for better or worse). so i might be the guy you should consider folding against.

against someone who doesn't have a flatting range and thinks this is a good spot to 3b bluff, it seems like calling is better than folding. and whether calling is better than 4b would depend on stuff.

Samu Patronen 10 years, 1 month ago

Why sizings are so different in live tournaments compared to online? Same game, but ppl seem to have very different strategies. What's up with that shit?

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