PCA 25k HR early

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PCA 25k HR early

Start at pretty soft table, get moved to a new very tough tables with a bunch of people I know - table is talkative and chatty and not much has happened a lot of multiway cbet/fold hands

Stacks are ~27k effective to start the hand

Folds to us OTB, we open JhTh to 500 at 100/200-25, SB FrenchDawg (Marc-Andre Ladouceur, HSNL CAP/6m NLHE Player with extensive live success) 3b SB to 1700, we Flat

Jd Td 4x He bets 2200, we make it 5800 (I def think flatting is fine but I decided to raise this particular time), he tanks for a bit and calls

Turn 7d he checks we ?

I guess we could also discuss the flop sizing

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Benjamin Wilinofsky 12 years, 1 month ago
I think flatting flop is superior since you have a bunch of draws that are too marginal to get in but too strong to r/f?

B/decide turn, it's a good card for your range so he can't really x/r that much and he has a bunch of hands with 10+ outs that you need to get value from. I'm going back and forth on folding or continuing if he x/r, on the one hand he shouldn't be x/r much since your range is so strong and he reps so narrow, on the other hand a lot of his diamond draws have enough equity that they're pretty likely to GII on the flop OOP. Who the BB is is pretty important here, and I've never played with villain, so you'd know better than me how frequently he flats vs 3b his AdMd and AdLd hands.
Sam Greenwood 12 years, 1 month ago
Given S:P of like 1.25:1 I don't think we can bet fold. I also don't think he has all that many worse hands that will call a big bet, so I think our options are check back and like bet 4k/call a turn-shove/make a river decision if he calls turn. But I keep thinking that our hand is pretty far down in our range and he isn't going to stack off like QdJx in a 25k OTT so I would check back.
Lucas Greenwood 12 years, 1 month ago
I think the turn needs to be a bet to get value from overpairs/Jx with a diamond and I like the flop sizing. If he check shoves we could maybe find a hero fold because we have 8% equity vs flushes, although I would probably end up cry calling it off.
Todd Sisley 12 years, 1 month ago
I know raising this flop is fine and you mentioned that calling it is something you'll do also, but I think it's worth noting that there are a lot of cards like this and we're going to be in this relatively gross spot (or something similar) v often on the turn when we raise the flop. I don't hate a raise, but I would still flat this hand (along with almost all of my other hands) 100% of the time.
Sean Lefort 12 years, 1 month ago
What about jamming flop? Pot is ~6k and we have ~25k... I understand that tourneys are a different beast and so we all just keep clicking it back until someone folds because of this "tourney life" thing (plus, it's fun), but can pre-river overbet jams still sometimes be a thing?

Jamming also takes care of the draws that (as Ben said) are too marginal to raise smaller and call off. I'm also really interested to hear what you guys intuitively think is your threshold to bet/call here in Ladouceur's shoes against a shove. ***

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