No showdown value, do we bluff river?
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No showdown value, do we bluff river?
Blinds: t20/t40 (9 Players)
SB: 6,930
BB: 3,140
UTG: 9,467
UTG+1: 2,775
MP: 3,712
MP+1: 2,910 (Hero)
MP+2: 3,565
CO: 3,000
BN: 4,271
BB: 3,140
UTG: 9,467
UTG+1: 2,775
MP: 3,712
MP+1: 2,910 (Hero)
MP+2: 3,565
CO: 3,000
BN: 4,271
Preflop
(60)
Hero is MP+1 with
6
7
, , , , , ,
Players behind me were folding lots, we're still pretty deepstacked and it's really early in the tournament, I thought given that information that opening here is fine. Of course, folding is fine too.
Flop
(420)
5
T
9
, ,
Flop a gutshot, normall I would check here because this flop hits our opponents range more than ours, but our hand is so bad here that I think we have to bet.
Turn
(930)
5
T
9
J
,
Do I raise here? I'm not sure how I should react to this bet. Regardless, I'm not folding. I'm getting the odds I need to hit my gutter.
River
(1,010)
5
T
9
J
4
So do we bluff with out 0% equity hand? I don't know what he could have that would fold here, maybe a 5 or 9 that he decided to get weird with on the turn? What do we have that plays this way? Should we even be considering that at this point? The turn makes me think this guy is a weaker player.
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Do you have any hud stats on villain?
Pre flop I prefer over limping with the 67s vs passive opponents who wont get out of line behind. Its a descent candidate to take multi way vs weak opponents personally.
Flop I don't mind a c bet, especially if villain is one of these limp specialists who's vpip is like 40% +. If this is the case I think the sizing can be smaller, 170 should accomplish nearly the same amount of folds as 255.
Turn is player dependant but I rarely see him having a super strong hand with this lead ( although I have seen it many times before from fish). For this reason I like a small raise 350- 400 and barrel safe rivers. By just calling it really caps your range, making it very hard to rep on blank rivers such as this one.
I don't c-bet this, our hand plays really poorly here, prefer to steal on turn.
Isn't the fact that our hand plays poorly a reason to bet rather than check, though? Its a bluff or a very thin semi bluff
I think it is still important to consider an opponents calling range and how many times he will continue on this board. This board is very draw heavy and villains continuing range has you often behind, of course you could triple barrell but there are so many draw completing cards that sticky players might stay in with.
I wait and consider villains aggression on the turn, if he or she does not show aggro on turn I may barrell then and on the river on suitable cards.
Okay, I agree over limping is fine. We sometimes get overflushed though I think. We get to this spot with a lot better hands in our range (suited aces, KQ, overpairs) so I think checking back and giving up is fine. Our equity is fairly poor when called and sometimes we can bluff certain turns I feel like.
However, if the board was the same except the 5 was a club, I'm assuming that's a better spot to bet as we can barrel on club turns.
I like what timetopop has to say about our turn action. We clearly are getting an amazing price, but we cap our range a lot here. If we had AA, we would raise to get value from so much worse (which villain can def have a lot of Jx, Tx, fd etc).
I think he could show up with a lot of Jx type hands here on the river, and without any info on his limping range, giving up is probably fine since I doubt he'll ever fold those.
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