Is this a flop fold?
Posted by Tdogger88
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Tdogger88
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Is this a flop fold?
Blinds: t150/t300 (5 Players)
CO: 3,000
BN: 8,380 (Hero)
SB: 13,207
BB: 6,819
UTG: 8,600
BN: 8,380 (Hero)
SB: 13,207
BB: 6,819
UTG: 8,600
Preflop
(450)
Hero is BN with
A
Q
, , , , , ,
SB was doing a decent amount of attacking lately and had hit a couple strong hands against some spewier players.
CO here was being pressured a bit and had shown that he was willing to put money in then fold. Wasn't adjusting to the attacks.
With SBs raise, I know there is a decent chance he knows that it's a good spot for me to attack. Its 1700 to win 4300, so my only issue isn't "how does my hand do against the range", it's "how does my current stack size affect my decision here?". Or at least that's how I see it, I'm here because I'm not always right about these!
CO here was being pressured a bit and had shown that he was willing to put money in then fold. Wasn't adjusting to the attacks.
With SBs raise, I know there is a decent chance he knows that it's a good spot for me to attack. Its 1700 to win 4300, so my only issue isn't "how does my hand do against the range", it's "how does my current stack size affect my decision here?". Or at least that's how I see it, I'm here because I'm not always right about these!
Flop
(6,340)
2
3
8
, ,
At this point I don't think I can ever get rid of this hand. If theres any chance that SB had made this move with 99-JJ then I need to call, I don't even think I could get rid of this if I knew he had KK but I haven't run the numbers.
Turn
(17,480)
2
3
8
J
River
(17,480)
2
3
8
J
2
Final Pot
BN
lost and shows a pair of Deuces.
SB wins and shows two pair, Aces and Deuces.
SB wins 17,480
SB wins and shows two pair, Aces and Deuces.
SB wins 17,480
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@Tdogger88
What tourney was this? Lower buyin tourney player don't tend to notice these spots and go for them as much.
Do you have any stats on sb? I would say his sizing looks pretty strong but I don't think you can fold something this high up in your range especially with position post.
On the flop you have decent equity vs most of his value (99-KK) and you are way ahead of his bluffs so jam city for sure!
Basically wp you were just unlucky to run into the top of his range.
It was actually a SnG, I just tend to get responses more often in this section rather than the other.
With less than a pot sized bet behind when I call pre, should I have just jammed? This shallow are we worried about isolating ourselves against an opponents range all that much?
Ok man, what type of sng? 180m, STT? The reason I ask is there may be ICM considerations here especially as villain covers us and we are basically currently sitting in joint 2nd. What is the payout structure we can plug into icmizer.
What do you think about isolating the the limper smaller? I tend to go around 2x + 1bb for each limper at these stack sizes in position.
Jamming pre can't be that bad but I think I prefer to call the 3bet with position. If you think V is capable of attacking light he is likely doing this with a lot of Broadway and Ax hands if he is considering blockers and FE. We dominate this range pretty hard.
Also by jamming pre we do just isolate ourself vs the strongest part of his range and getting over 3.5-1 I think we can just call and continue on favourable flops.
It was STT, $1.99 for first, $1.18 for second, $0.79 for third. I can see isolating with a smaller raise, I usually go around 2.5x+1 per limper. Because the blinds go up so ridiculously fast, I tend to not be TOO concerned with conserving the smaller amounts of chips because 3 minutes later it doesn't really matter anyway, though this can definitely not be good. I just always figured it's not really going to matter much against the field here.
Ok I would expect most micro STT players aren't capable of recognising these spots and even if they are they may not trust that you are good enough to fold your junk if he thinks you can be a fish. Therefore I would discount his bluffs pretty heavily pre. That said AQs is just too high up in our range here to fold unless villain is a super nit.
I still prefer calling pre and continuing when we flop a pair or flush. We are behind his range pre but only need about 30% eq vs his 3bet to continue especially given that we can still fold post and have 18bbs left to play.
Have you done much work with HRC/ICMizer? They will help massively with your preflop decisions. You can download a free 2 week trial of Holdem Resource Calculator.
I have done exactly no work with either of those programs. I'll definitely look into them! Thanks for the advice!
I would do the same.
Call in pre flop. ... Flop with flush draw + overs (raise all in) i have 55% vs 99 TT or JJ + Equity fold Villain.
AQ vs KK this board .. i has 47 vs 53 %.
Easy raise all in pós flop;
lol, I think I might just jamm everything pre flop brother. He is putting you in a enormous range: 22+, Ax+, Kx+ even Q8o+ and J9+.....shove pre flop.... you are only losing for 4 hands (AA, KK, QQ and AK and fliping or geting a 70/30 with a lot of hands)
True! 30 > BB ... 4bet all in is best player against range SB.
Agree to a preflop jam...
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