interesting A-high riverspot in $16.50 6max final2tables

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interesting A-high riverspot in $16.50 6max final2tables

CO: 41388
BN: 165881
SB: 31431
BB: 252857
HJ: 113186 (Hero)
Preflop (3750) (5 Players)
Hero was dealt 9 A
Hero raises to 5625, CO folds, BN calls 5625, SB folds, BB folds
Flop (15000) 5 J 8 (2 Players)
Hero bets 7981, BN calls 7981
Turn (30962) 5 J 8 T (2 Players)
Hero bets 14406, BN calls 14406
River (59774) 5 J 8 T T (2 Players)
Hero checks, BN bets 35000, Hero calls 35000
Final Pot
BN has A T BN wins 131324
So, this hand got me thinking a lot since i played it yesterday. this is Pokerstars' $16.50 6max, we're at 10 players left. Villain is a huge station, plays 45/38 throughout the tourney and levels himself into some kind of battle vs. me... On the is my line as bad as the outcome or pretty reasonable?
I see so much more draws than made hands here, i.e. the obvious flushdraws, 76, he easily couldve hands like KhQx , just calling with backdoor hearts, straights and 2 overs on the flop, picking up an OESD on the turn.
On the river i just cant see him valuebetting here much... I think he would never bet any PocketPair, any 5, any 8 and i would guess that the only J he bets would be AJ (and i block one Ace), i am sure he would check KJ QJ etc.
I think his bluffing range is so huge in this spot im comparison to his valuerange, so i decided to herocall.
thoughts?

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Grayson Ramage 12 years, 3 months ago
I would like your call a lot more if you did not have the Ah in your hand, by having the Ah you remove a lot of missed FD's from his range. I do agree with your reasoning that his value range on the river to be AJ+, however I believe you may be leveling yourself a little by adding so much air into his range. For example, he can have all sorts of 10x unsuited hands, while there are only 4 combos of 67s (I think it is safe to assume he is folding 67o pre). I would fold river, although I like your thought process on the hand.
shorshi 12 years, 3 months ago
You're right, my Ah blocks a bunch of FDs, thats one thing i kinda 'missed'... the assumption that he folds 76o pre is wrong though i would say, the guy plays ~45/35, vs. myself even looser i guess, as i said he leveled himself into some kind of battle vs. me in that tourney... he showed stuff like J4s, K2o, 96s, Q6o, etc etc already. pretty much the only hand that would make sense at all was T9 in all variations... Also the KhQx etc i described is a 100% possible with this guy...
The fact that i hold the Ah really is more important than i thought in the first place, now that i think aabout it.. makes it a good chunk more value-heavy on the riv for him... hm. But thanks for somewhat 'agreeing' with me on the thought process, glad it wasnt a complete brain fart
Matt Wakeman 12 years, 3 months ago
Check flop vs described villain. If he's calling that wide pre then the cbet for the most part will be ineffective. I would check and feel it out based on his sizing whether I wanted to c/c, c/f, or c/r. I don't think it matters very much at all the times we c/f vs this villain though if he is coming after you I would just wait until I made a pair and take him to value town...

Also, because it's FT bubb of a pretty soft tourny, I don't really want to be getting into spots like this and end up hero'ing off my equity.
shorshi 12 years, 3 months ago
hmm i dont really like to give up initiative vs. the guy because i can be sure that he fires at least 2 barrels no matter what... And im much more able to construct his calling range than a absolutely random bettingrange...
Ondra Machálek 12 years, 3 months ago
I'd just give up on the flop tbh, this is the kind of texture where I think people will float you a huge amout of the time and it also hits a lot of his calling range. It's just gonna be so hard to continue on future streets vs. a laggy donk on just about any turn/river card.
As played I'd probably fold the river because of his sizing.. I think if he had a bluff he'd bet smaller, like 25k or something. He can quite easily be value betting just like J9o or something similar, plus you might not beat some of his bluffs. Yesterday I played almost identical hand and a guy just potted the river with bottom pair when every draw missed.
Cary Pall 12 years, 2 months ago
Vs. this type of player I might not c-bet, either. Prob. not betting turn either since almost all of his flop calling range will call the turn. As played, I c/f river, there's not too many bluffs you're beating (67, non nut hearts...??), and there are plenty of 10x, Jx in his range.
cold7betfold 12 years, 2 months ago
Check/folding against this villain is the better choice I think. It hits his range pretty good and he will probably play back at us with the given history, even if he didn't hit. And saving our chips for the ft is very important.

I don't think that he would check back many Jx hands on the river.
computerscreen 12 years, 2 months ago
If we are check folding this flop we should prob fold pre vs this villain on the button (which is crazy talk). If villain floats so hard then we should be betting the flop for value.

The turn is not a good bluff card and although there is still some value in betting we should prob pot control and check.

If you bet the turn you should bet fold the river really small as you rep a ten so he can't really bluff you.

If we check the turn we can check call a reasonable bet sometimes or make a small bluff with maybe a K or a Q


Tom M 12 years, 2 months ago
cbet is pretty bad, in my opinion - the combination of villain and flop texture. ch/call seems sort ok as we can pick up extra equity on lots of turns.
z0fman 12 years, 2 months ago
id probably cbet though i cant fault just checkfolding the flop...i would check his fold2cbet stat for that...anyway on the turn even when u pick up extra equity id rather potcontrol and check cause he calls with anything he called the flop and his range is pretty wide...also his river sizing doesnt look that bluffy to me and such a fish can have any random pair he decides to bet on the river...and id rather save my chips for another spot in this soft tourney and so deep rather than herocall a fishes river bet with ace high
John Shamwoww 12 years, 2 months ago
I don't mind cbet but i don't mind either checking to him. Kind of dependant on your style and the villain. I would mix it up here.

If we check turn, i think we can call more bets on the river as he'll have more bluffs in his range but when he calls two streets i think he has more pair hands in his range, especially on that turn. It completes a lot of stuff and his range picks up a lot more equity and SD value.

I wouldn't mind either a bet > check/c > check/c, or check/c > check/c > check/decide but a bet > bet > ch/c line seems very thin.

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