How to play the QQ's right at this stage of the tournament?
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How to play the QQ's right at this stage of the tournament?
I would like to know what you'd have done waking up with QQ UTG while just in the money 593/3930.
Should I have shoved? Which raise makes 8s9s fold? What would you have played differently?
I thank for every contribution.
No Limit Hold'em Tournament T700/T1,400
Buy-in: $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit
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9 players
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Stacks:
UTG - Hero (T66,850)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T28,964)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 (T26,343)
MP - MP (T56,787)
MP2 - MP2 (T54,461)
CO - CO (T70,825)
BTN - BTN (T93,162)
SB - SB (T18,703)
BB - BB (T61,115)
Preflop: (T3,675, 9 players) Hero is UTG with Qs Qh
Hero raises to T4,800, 2 folds, MP calls T4,800, MP2 calls T4,800, 4 folds
Flop: 7s As 9h (T18,075, 3 players - Hero: T61,875, MP: T51,812, MP2: T49,486)
Hero checks, MP checks, MP2 checks
Turn: 9d (T18,075, 3 players - Hero: T61,875, MP: T51,812, MP2: T49,486)
Hero bets T10,000, 1 fold, MP2 raises to T49,486 (all-in), Hero calls T39,486
River: 3h (T117,047, 2 players, 1 all-in - Hero: T12,389, MP2: T0)
Total Pot: T117,047
Hero shows Qs Qh (two pair, Queens and Nines)
MP2 shows 8s 9s (three of a kind, Nines)
MP2 wins T117,047
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First thing imo in this stage youre giving your hand strenght away with your 3.4x raise. Now i dont mind if youre able to do it with bluffs occasionaly too but i think that would be a high variance spot for no reason. Now i can be wrong i dont know what kind of action was on table prior to this but if someone 3.4x from UTG with 50ish blinds it would look suspicious.
Now on flop what i believe (since you didnt gave us stats / reads which is extremly important) that you have to C-bet smth around 30-40% of pot would be enough if someone overshoves you (and you again have no reads that he does that with his semi-bluffed hands) sigh fold. If they call reevaluate on a turn .
The way you played it dont hate it dont love it either cannot say if id make same call as you did.
Hopefully i have been helpfull and gl ;)
Thank you very much for your reply! How much would you have raised UTG at this stage with QQ?
check on the flop is ok, it's 3way pot we have 2nd pair and a backdoor FD. On the turn there is no value in bet at all. So I guess it's better to check again. Our goal is to went to showdown as cheap as possible there.
You're right, thanks a lot!
Hi pokerpocus. In this stage, 2.2x pre flop with QQ from UTG is ideal, you don't need to do 3x+. On the flop, you should bet 30% of pot, because Aces are in your range, but it's not a confortable board to you, so if he calls, bet/fold on turn is the right way to play, I think.
Hello KingSouto you're right. I was so scared of the A that I just checked, I think that's the biggest mistake in this hand. Thank you very much!
3-way on A97r QQ is definetly a higher frequency check than bet. If you want to start betting and include KK-TT on your value betting range, your sizing should be small enough to make your value betting range wide and opponents range at least indifferent from calling 88/7x/55-22 and gutshots.
Ok, thanks a lot for the great input.
I think with your stack size you have to c-bet that flop you do not want to give two players to realize their equity on turns and rivers now of course being an A-high flop it does not mean that someone must has an A. And even so with a c-bet you will find out being a flush draw board you could get action from second pairs as well you have to bet here i believe as value and protection + information about where you at at the hand if you get called reevaluate on the river and continue pressuring if you turn a fd i would suggest. The main thing is that you cannot give two people a free card and give them the chance to outdraw you. If someone has an Ace then thats fine you will find it out plus you could turn your hand into a bluff in certain runouts such as flush on the turn. It would be really hard even for an ace to call three barrels there :)
Redeth thank you very much for your review, just great, thanks.
I think I make it 2.5bb pre flop. If my stack was around 30bb or les I xhange it up to 2,2bb raise. With biger Stacks you want it raise a Little biger. Its makes it easyer to get more chips in post flop.
I Go to 3bb with a +80bb stack and even bigger with a +100bb stack.
I perssonaly bet this Axx board most of the time. Bet the flop and evaluate turn. You wil het called by Ax hands, but you also get value frol flushdraws, straight draws etc. 9x hands etc, although thats rare. When they fold you made shure no draws came in. When called Just evaluate turn. Try to Keep the pot Smal on the turn
As played I think I check the turn. The 9 is not a great card to hit the table, and is not helping your range. You cant represent a strong Ax or 9x. Hand. Wich Ax hands are you checking flop with?. You hand is face up. Just check/call and keep possibel blufs in their Range.
check/fold River unless you hit a Q.
I think you shouldn't change your preflop raise size, play all hands with the same size and don't do it big when you have a big hand and small when you have a marginal hand, second I think you can play this hand in 3 ways: 1 you can be cbetting the flop pretty small around 30-40% and if you get called just take down the hand to get showdown, if there is a call you have to check fold the turnif the villain bet turn, because you cbet the flop on a 3 way pot so you have aces on your range a lot and the only hands that bet turn are all aces and nines or set of 7, but looking at their stack sizes they don't have to many good aces to bet the turn or probably bet turn and chech down the river, if MP2 has a good ace he might 3 bet Pre after your big raise from UTG and MP calls, aces and kings 3 bet pre because if you have hands like QQ and the flop come and A or K he's not gonna get too much value because you're gonna play the hand slow, different than try to staking you pre. The second way is to check the flop and bet small the turn and fold to any raise and if there is just a call probably check fold river or check call if you have info about the villain and know that he is capable to do some moves on after streets. And the last way to play is check flop and check again turn, call bet turn and probably check fold river because there is no bluff, at least he has to hold 77,88,TT,JJ and turn his hand into a bluff and I don't think so in this kind of tourney when people play so ABC. But if you bet turn then you have to fold his all in. GL
Thank you very much!
I don't understand why you called the all-in on the turn. What do you think you are beating, or at the least getting the correct odds to call it off with?
I think 40bb deep, 2.2x-2.5x is standard, i usually make it a full 3x utg when very deep like 60bb+. With that board and two callers, i check 33% of the time. I check because i don't want to make both callers fold their hand, when i'm ahead most of the time. which gives them some room to bluff on later streets, and use your QQ as a bluff catcher. i cbet the other 66% of the time, so i make them pay for their flush/straight draws, size of 40-50% of the pot is fine. I wouldn't be too happy to see a K, 9, 7 or 6 or flush card. on the turn i would probably bet/fold. you are losing to any Ax, 77, 79s, 98s, T9s. i think villain shoves the turn with sets, two pair, trip 9s. but the only hands he is shoving that is trying to rep that you are beating is JJ, TT, T8h. the value hands that he has, you are pretty much drawing to two outs. Since you haven't said anything about the villain, i would assume he does this mostly trying to get a call from an AJs+, AQo+ that hit a pair. it's not too good for him to rep the A, since you are most likely to have it.
i would love to hear a different opinion.
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