Getting 3bet deep with PP

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Getting 3bet deep with PP

Blinds: t30/t60 (9 Players) UTG: 8,910 (Hero)
MP: 9,940
UTG+1: 9,678
MP+1: 10,018
MP+2: 9,994
CO: 9,148
BN: 7,995
SB: 11,700
BB: 9,982
Preflop (90) Hero is UTG with 6 6
Hero raises to 180, MP folds, UTG+1 calls 180, 4 folds, SB raises to 810, BB folds, Hero calls 630, UTG+1 folds
Flop (1,914) 5 A 9
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn (1,914) 5 A 9 9
SB bets 574, Hero folds
Final Pot SB wins 1,914

I have to be peeling any PP I open here right?

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MJBNone 5 years, 8 months ago

I am not sure, but low stakes I would tend to fold. Ppl do not 3bet light enough from SB especially vs UTG.

66 are bottom of my range here anyway...

Risva10 5 years, 7 months ago

Same, 66 are the bottom. You have a point there, people 3bet less at these stakes, but the increased value when hitting our set vs bad players might compensate for that. I am not sure either though, lets see if someone can clarify.

Sextonhardcastle 5 years, 7 months ago

You raise utg pre ante and sb makes a decent sized 3b. AK AQ AA KK QQ JJ are all reasonable for sb to have preflop. Most ppl use A5s or suited wheel aces as 3b bluffs and not 45s 56s 67s qjs etc. Especially at this stage of tournament this deep oop vs a 3x utg. So I cant really see villain having a hand you beat. Also, if players have air as the aggressor in a 3bet pot, they almost always cbet the ace high board. when they check they often have weak Ax they bluffed with preflop, top set, AK/AQ theyre playing tricky or afraid to cbet and get raised and the pairs that hate seeing an ace on flop : JJ-KK. I think I would fold any hand that doesnt beat QQ. And I dont think I have a raising range on this turn because I have no bluffs I want to raise here. If I do decide to bluff it will be on river with 67s 87s or raggy suited ax i called pre(but i wouldnt bluff often cause i dont think ppl will fold AQ AK Ax etc often enough). And i would also play 99 55 9x AK AQ that way

Risva10 5 years, 7 months ago

I think I am on track with your strategy/ thinking postflop for these spots. I posted this hand about preflop strategy mostly. I wanted to make something clear in my head. I have to peel the 3bet with any PP I open here 100bb+ deep hoping that the flatter comes along too right? If noone flats should I be more incentivised to find a fold or is hitting a set 1/8 of the time already enough with only the 3bettor in the pot?

Sextonhardcastle 5 years, 7 months ago

yeah never folding preflop btu i would open smaller like 2.5x preflop. makes things easier with a lot of hands when 3bet adn doesnt bloat the pot as much oop

Hoothoot 5 years, 7 months ago

Good standard call pre, well played postflop too. His ~ 1/4 pot sizing on the turn suggests he's got a monster in all likelihood, perhaps AA.

Pedro Madeira 5 years, 7 months ago

Something interesting to think about in these cases, the value of 22 - 99 is going to be very close to the same, so no reason to fold 22 - 55 and call the rest as we are basically playing for set value. (Considering the opponent is rarelly bluffing as you are assuming)

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