Facing turn bet + river overbet with 2nd pair in Pokerstars $44 6max
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Facing turn bet + river overbet with 2nd pair in Pokerstars $44 6max
CO: 3,550
BN: 5,130
SB: 2,475
BB: 4,495
UTG: 3,000 (Hero)
Cliff notes - my hands face up, hes a good player, he has discounted value range but I have better hands to call with and don't have to call everytime as the price is so bad
Interesting hand for discussing how to build check call ranges against top players. I had just played a couple of hands at this table but my reads on the opponent are thats hes played 4k games this year, 193k winnings with 93k profit so i presume he plays a ton of tables and has a good understanding of the game. He probably doesn't know anything about me.
What do you think of my line? How thin does he go for value? How often do you think he trys to barrel me off the ten i obv have? I think I like a flop check as his flop calling range has many hands we dominate and I'd rather bet JT if it didnt have backdoor spades. I could potentially have led turn to get value vs small pairs and AQ. On river he proabably knows my range is quite capped.
There is a chance I could have checked twice to induce with KK or 33. I have better Tx to call with. I decided he narrows his bluffing range by checking back flop (discounts QJ,J9,AQ bluffs by checking althoguh AQ he may check). His only value hand that makes sense is 33 but this looks like AQ. He bet huge here and at the time I thought I'd call with AT, KT and maybe QT so i can fold what has now become the bottom of my turn check call range.
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Very interesting spot, my approach here is that against good players who know how our range exactly looks like, I don't think you have that many better hands to call of or you shouldnt ( QQ nd JJ?) so against almost 1.5x pot I think you should be calling, interested in different approachs here. It is ok to put your hand face up as long as you're defending optimally
"it is ok to put your hand face up as long as you're defending optimally"
is that true? seems like we should never really want a range to be face up...
Should I have much of a range that checks twice on this flop? I might not have JJ or QQ but I probably have AT, QT, JT and I may bet or simply give up with small pocket pairs, so this is essentially the worst of my bluff catchers on river. I would likely call with AT.
I didn't notice at the time but 56 also got there on the river which probably means he is bluffing even less often
u dont make sense saying that u would call with your better Ts cuz he is really polarized to air or nuts, actually J10 is a much better candidate for a call as u are not blocking AQ at all and AQ is one of the most likely bluffing combos played like this. I think i would call most of the times against a big winning player in this spot but still interesting spot
I would prefer c betting the flop as we have a lot of good turns to barrel if called or check call a lot of turns. By checking we may get bluffed with the best hand.
Think you can go both ways on the flop but with all the back doors and on that flop you're going to get raised more than most I like x/c a lot.
The turn is where I think you make this hand hard for yourself. Think you can bet for value and protection, and against a good player he knows you're not checking any K twice on that board and probably not strong Ts twice. Meaning he can have tonnes of value hands and in turn tonnes of bluffs meaning he can really punish your capped range with some hefty bets. From this point of view I think it's probably a clear call on the river - as you point out you don't have that many better hands when played like this and with all the draws missing he's weighted towards bluffs.
I'm just not sure what bluffs he ends up with here. I very much doubt he's value betting worse than your hand, despite your capped range, and I think he bets his combo draws, flushes, sets (44,TT) and KT on the flop. So I think that eliminates almost all bluffs.
So that leaves me thinking is this player going to turn some random small pair or gut shot into a bluff with this line. If he's good maybe...
Been thinking about this hand for a while and I think it's a fold, my decision hinged on the fact I imagine he bluffs his combos & flushes on the flop, making him too value weighted for this sizing.
"u dont make sense saying that u would call with your better Ts cuz he is really polarized to air or nuts"
i don't think i agree with this. Calling with my better Tx was just a way of saying that i don't know what to do here so i'll just fold the bottom of my range and call with the hands closer to the top.
I like your point about AT blocking his bluffs though
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