Deep Big $22, spot with JJ???
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Deep Big $22, spot with JJ???
Blinds: t1,750/t3,500 (9 Players)
CO: 205,772
BN: 129,424 (Hero)
SB: 146,763
BB: 37,887
UTG: 142,139
UTG+1: 243,876
MP: 107,227
MP+1: 66,127
MP+2: 177,612
BN: 129,424 (Hero)
SB: 146,763
BB: 37,887
UTG: 142,139
UTG+1: 243,876
MP: 107,227
MP+1: 66,127
MP+2: 177,612
Preflop
(5,250)
Hero is BN with
J
J
, , , , , , ,
Flop
(65,075)
4
T
8
, ,
Turn
(274,073)
4
T
8
T
River
(274,073)
4
T
8
T
Q
Final Pot
BN
lost and shows two pair, Jacks and Tens.
MP+2 wins and shows two pair, Aces and Tens.
MP+2 wins 274,073
MP+2 wins and shows two pair, Aces and Tens.
MP+2 wins 274,073
Hi guys, unsure on this spot well in the money, UTG very spewy and quite loose was not concerned with his open here, MP+2 was playing 15/6 over 38 hands with a 3bet of 5.6%, I decided to cold call, I don't have stack size to 4bet fold, does anyone 4bet all in?? on flop when he lead out that big I just knew it was screaming QQ KK AA but I couldn't find fold button and the there was already a lot of money out there. the more I think about it the more im leaning to 4bet shove pre.
Be interesting to know what line others would take here, thanks guys.
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I think that CC PRF is meh, an all in shove is spewing chips(his range is QQ+ and AKs, so only against a few hands you are flipping, the rest are crushing you) and folding is a bit tight, but with those stats, there is a very valid argument for folding PRF.
Now, if, for some reason, you decide to call PRF - the bomb on the flop is a fold, there is only one hand that you want to be up against and that is AcKc, FYI, you are a slight dog against AcKc, so this is a very unfortunate hand, but I think you can/must fold PRF. And definitely a fold on the flop, you're just hardly ever good here.
P.S. what I usually do - is assume that I have an edge over my opponents, with this JJ(even though it is a strong hand) the way it has played out PRF with a 3.5x 3B the edge our hand has is minimal, if there at all. and I tend to avoid these high-variance spots when deep in tournaments, why take the risk? let it go and wait for a better spot.
thoughts ?
what would you do with QQ here?? Just a thought...
completely agree, seeing it from your point of view I totally get it, I just thought at the time folding pre was too nitty, flop I know I should have folded! but as you mention above I agree now with folding pre and looking for better spot. thanks :)
I think with queens, we can call it a cooler if he has AA/KK, because the hand it too strong to fold. so I would say we should take it, hoping villain has JJ, and he could also fold AKo if he decided to 3B it, because we are 4betting into an UTG+1 raise and a UTG+2 3B we have a totally capped range, thoughts ?
and you're welcome
This deep, my stack depth, 4bet shove I think isn't good. I like taking the flop, but I can almost be a nit and wait for a better spot and fold pre sometime. we flat, we miss the flop and he's C-betting almost every time then what, we are same spot pre. Now I'm kind of a Nit though, but like to take a low variance route this hand.
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