Conflicting RiO strategy advice: Sisley v Obst. Defend yourself!
Posted by Justin Marsh
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Conflicting RiO strategy advice: Sisley v Obst. Defend yourself!
The videos in question:
http://www.runitonce.com/mtt/todd2/
Todd shoves AKo UTG for 18bb @ 300/600.
At 25 minutes: "I think that a raise would be totally reasonable, but I think that I'm going to want to be going all in with such a wide range of hands because I don't think they are going to be calling it very well. So if I have I hand like pocket fives I'm going to want to go all in."
http://www.runitonce.com/mtt/obst1-2/
James minraises 66 UTG+1 with 13bb @ 300/600
At 8 minutes: "I know that the majority of pros will tell you, or at least they will move all in here with 13 big blinds and there is no doubt that it's profitable to do so in a vacuum. Without running the math I'd say it's probably 200 to 250 chips profitable to move all in here; however, what it also does is immediately risks perhaps 20% elimination on the spot. And I haven't check that, but it is roughly what I'd assume the number to be. Before you go throwing away your tournament when it isn't necessary, I think we have to consider - lets just think about this ... We have to think about where our big edge comes from, and where it comes from is taking advantage of weaker players making them make mistakes ... It doesn't come from pushing tiny edges like 200 chips in this hand and increasing your risk of elimination unnecessarily. The old school concept of tournament life - I know that online players like to bash it, but its really been lost on the modern tournament player. ... Especially in tournaments you figure to have a strong edge you really want to be respecting your tournament life. ... If you guys want to play 5% ROI, no problem. Go ahead and shove. Watch someone else make videos, but I want to teach you guys - I want you guys to craft a game that is going to be tailored to a bigger ROI, and that starts by thinking of new ways to play hands."
Watch the videos to get the full understanding of the spots. Make note that both agree that raising and shoving can be +ev, but clearly they differ on their preferred approach.
I know there are many winning players with contrasting styles, but this is a very prominent MTT spot and I'd love to here some debate on playing 15bb in EP.
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