Close spot with 45 bb and 88 in a Progressive KO 3€

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Close spot with 45 bb and 88 in a Progressive KO 3€

Blinds: t75/t150 (9 Players) CO: 6,655
BN: 8,925
SB: 17,445
BB: 15,735
UTG: 7,145 (Hero)
UTG+1: 9,980
MP: 8,620
MP+1: 4,145
MP+2: 59,508
Preflop (225) Hero is UTG with 8 8
Hero raises to 373, 2 folds, MP+1 raises to 4,125 and is all in, MP+2 calls 4,125, 4 folds, Hero raises to 7,125 and is all in, MP+2 calls 3,000
Flop (18,780) 6 T 3
Turn (18,780) 6 T 3 A
River (18,780) 6 T 3 A 8
Final Pot UTG wins and shows three of a kind, Eights.
MP+1 lost and shows a pair of Aces.
MP+2 lost and shows two pair, Aces and Tens.
UTG wins 18,780

I think is a close spot, the first player was lose and I assumed his range was fairly wide, the second one was a total fish who was calling every hand.

Note that bounties does not appear since I edited it to post the hand but the short bountie was 67 cts.

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Pedro Madeira 6 years, 7 months ago

hey mate, not that close, 88 after 2 jams is only a call if players a shoving very wide (such as AA-66,AKs-ATs,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,AKo-AJo,KQo and AA-88,AKs-ATs,KQs,AKo-AQo) which is generally not true, specially as their are jamming more than 20bb and vs an UTG raise.

a_zuzolo 6 years, 7 months ago

Agreed, I think this is an easy fold. The above analysis is good. A more simplistic way to think about this spot would be to imagine the hands that both these opponents would have to turn over, in order for you to be happy with your call...Even if/when they are shoving very wide ranges, you are rarely going to be in a good spot here.

I have also found that the 23ish BB re-shove from the MP player is going to be way more heavily weighted towards hands that crush you (99-JJ), as well as some flips (AQ, AK), as opposed to hands that you beat (77 or worse). I think most players will either flat or fold to an UTG raise, when they have mid/small pocket pairs with over 20bbs.

TheSeXFactor 6 years, 7 months ago

Yes you're totally correct, in that hand I just thought that the first caller was so fishy, calling with like 50 of VPIP that the pusher could know that and I could be like 33% favorite to triple up. Ok so 45 bb its wrong but what about 20 bb? do you push 88 UTG? and what about 25-30 bb? do you call the push?

Nick Steiner 6 years, 7 months ago

I agree with Zuzolo that MP+1 is heavily weighted towards hands that crush you.

Being that MP+2 has a massive stack, is a fish and you can end up w/ 6k by just beating him I don't see a major problem with your line.

BM.dbleal 6 years, 7 months ago

that kind of classification it's complicated too... i don't think that a fish would trap AA in here... really don't like of this 88 shove. And i would change the fishy note to tricky fish. lol. Come on guys...

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