builder 109 preflop shove is it close or its a clear shove?

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builder 109 preflop shove is it close or its a clear shove?

Blinds: t1,250/t2,500 (8 Players) MP: 85,198
MP+1: 55,000
CO: 141,111
BN: 160,439
SB: 101,677
BB: 93,270
UTG: 31,975 (Hero)
UTG+1: 72,016
Preflop (3,750) Hero is UTG with T A
3 folds, MP+1 raises to 7,500, 2 folds, SB raises to 101,297 and is all in, BB folds, MP+1 calls 47,120 and is all in
Flop (161,457) J 7 3
Turn (161,457) J 7 3 J
River (161,457) J 7 3 J T
Final Pot MP+1 wins and shows two pair, Jacks and Tens.
SB lost and shows a pair of Jacks.
MP+1 wins 114,780

icm izer give it at +0.14 had like 160 bucks on my head i usualy use jennifear for shoving pre and it had like a j off for 13 bigs if i had like 10 big 11 it would have been a clear shove think i get called by worst especialy at this sort of tournaments so it might be a mistake to fold here

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navstar 8 years, 9 months ago

Its close but a shove still. Its actually close enough that if you had any reads that people are calling too wide/tight you can fold this with no problem. However, against "normal players" with 12ish BB just stick it in.
Also, you will most certainly get called by worse in tournaments like this, so dont be afraid to stick it in and ride it out.

Douggyfr3sh 8 years, 9 months ago

Agreed. I think this should probably be the bottom of our Ax offsuit shoving range. There could be an argument for having a 2x'ing range in this spot that includes AT-AJo and JJ+ or something like that, might be worth exploring the equity of a strategy like that as an alternative- but a jam can't be bad.

Edit:

I played around with HRC for this spot and a push/fold strategy includes ATo as the bottom and looks like a neutral EV shove. If we adopt a 2x or Jam strategy it actually likes 2xing about 9.5% and only jamming 7.7%, and the 2x range includes ATo and has a profit of +0.29bb. Also the raise or jam strat has better overall EV, but seems like it would be a much more tricky strategy to play.

MARIUS bogdan 8 years, 9 months ago

tks man for the good imput its exactly what i talked with some friends today about a 10 offsuit beeing my bottom raise fold hand from that stack but didnt knew if its good or bad i dont really have a raise fold strategy from 13 bigs just as an exploit with my top range at soft tournaments also dont dislike jamming since its a 100 dolar builder and had a decent bounty im getting called worse a lot of the time and fliping a lot also

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