Bovada $33 10k jj in bb itm
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Bovada $33 10k jj in bb itm
We are itm and 4/37. Have had a pretty easy time and accumulated a decent stack without showdowns. We start the hand with 51bb at 1k/2k and are in the bb with jj.
Folds to the co who hasn't done anything notable. He has 47bb and opens to 4444.
I 3 bet to 10000 and he calls.
Flop is 8910 rainbow. I bet half and he calls.
Turn is a 4. I bet half again and he calls.
River is an ace. I don't see many aces that he has in his range at this point and with the way most people play on bv feel he would have raised the turn with a straight or a set or raised the flop with two pair. So I feel like all I am losing to is qq, kk, or aa.
The effective stack is about 3/4 pot. If he has an overpair I think I can get it to fold pretty often because I have aq and ak in my range plus a flopped straight with qj suited and plus sets 88-1010.
He snap called with kk. Was my thinking flawed here or was this just a cooler? Were there any other viable options? Flat pre? (Seems really meh and nitty). Check call turn and hope he checks back river? That seems bad too.
Numbers might be slightly off bc I don't have a hand history for bv on this one yet. The open and 3 bet is accurate and I was left with 4bb after the hand. Ended up 15th. Bleh.
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not sure why u put qq/kk/aa in his range, as he flatted ur 3b co v bb, seems crazy he had KK. flop and turn are good. why are u trying to bluff him ? u have no guarantee he will fold and u have a ton of SD value if u just check. also, why can't he have AQ, AJ, ATs A9s ? i do get that most bovada players raise earlier in hand with 2pr+ but this river does help him a decent amount
river you can x/c depending on timing and sizing. he has AT/AJs/AQs/AKs with bdfd.
never use this as an assumption
Your 3b is too small oop, i think 3x is better.The flop favours his range so i would x/c flop or turn with my entire range (probably b, x/c on blanks is best), and river shove seems way too optimistic.
You block a lot of draws that are calling flop and turn, and there`s really no reason for him to jam a straight or a set on the turn ip as you suggested, especially on rainbow board.So his range on the river is very strong, like sets, straights, overpairs and ATs almost exclusively.
altho bovada tends to play a little diff, he prob raise b4 with 2pr+
Jeff:
We are itm and 4/37.
... because I have aq and ak in my range.
Something to think about:
Would you often 2-barrel AK/AQ into another big stack from OOP in this situation?
OOP, yes. IP I will often check back the turn.
I think evenn if u do that oop, when u hit tptk on rvr u would chkcall not 3 barrel , since stacks re so deep and u have strong showdown value, and your betting line is not consistent with story you are telling, you wil get hero called. With so deep stack, i wouldnt be scared to check some of the previus streets oop.
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I'm a little confused by the people who are shocked villain had KK here. Seems to me like a fine option to flat here. Actually I think villain can play a strategy where they have NO 4bet range at all in this spot, only calling or folding. This makes balancing our flatting range easier and we don't have to worry about what goes into our 4b range. We are deep and IP and BB can be 3betting a polarized range vs co open where they are raise/folding a lot pre. What do you guys think about not 4betting anything ever here as Villain?
Actually I think villain can play a strategy where they have NO 4bet range at all in this spot, only calling or folding
The recently published GTO solution to HU Limit Hold'em suggests that this could work very well. In the GTO HU LHE game, the BTN almost never 4-bets.
In NLHE, this would of course be very dependent on stack sizes.
I'm a little confused by the people who are shocked villain had KK here.
because he called on ace river vs opponent who 3 betted, it is a little surprising play ( can be said he hero called )
And no 4 bet range is excellent play strategy i use a lot :-), protects your flatting range and , ppl usually underestimate your hand so usually wins much more then 4 bet.
nit
i am :P
OK but I was talking about the responses which ruled KK out solely based on the flat pre:
FIVEbetBLUFF:
not sure why u put qq/kk/aa in his range, as he flatted ur 3b co v bb
yes that seems rather wrong assumption :-) but players apparently have a tendency to make it, which makes flat more attractive if you ask me
Completely agree with this. Honestly I think that this is one of THE MOST compelling reasons to flat in this spot. There are many reasons to flat, but if a a lot of villains are going to erroneously cap your range that is reeally going to be good for us postflop.
Agreed. People underestimate flats deepstacked and overplay and overvalue their hands. Not saying that OP did that in this spot but I would most likely check turn for some potcontrol and to induce bluffs if he floated with air or a gutter.
As played I would always check on river as I doubt we get called by a worse hand on river often enough.
Agree and pretty sure villain always checks back river when we check even with Ax
I dislike your bet on the river. Think its better to just check/fold the river.
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