Annoying spot deep in $5 2R1A
Posted by John Shamwoww
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John Shamwoww
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Annoying spot deep in $5 2R1A
SB: 451609 (Hero)
BB: 37180
UTG: 470317
UTG1: 657746
LJ: 222397
HJ: 924975
CO: 242259
BN: 152518
BB: 37180
UTG: 470317
UTG1: 657746
LJ: 222397
HJ: 924975
CO: 242259
BN: 152518
Preflop
(18000)
(8 Players)
Hero was dealt
9
9
UTG raises to 36000, UTG1 folds, LJ folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to 80000, BB folds, UTG calls 44000
UTG raises to 36000, UTG1 folds, LJ folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to 80000, BB folds, UTG calls 44000
Flop
(178000)
8
J
6
(2 Players)
Hero bets 90000,
UTG calls 90000
Turn
(358000)
8
J
6
Q
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
UTG bets 96000,
Hero calls 96000
River
(550000)
8
J
6
Q
4
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
UTG bets 202817, and is all in,
Hero calls 184109, and is all in
Final Pot
UTG has
T
T
Hero has
9
9
UTG
wins 924218
What are others doing here?
All we know is he is Brazilian.
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you know he has a hand of some value, and that he isnt letting it go since he called both 4 bet and flop bet, you would remain on 300 k chips which is zzzz but playable, its obvious you cant fold him out at all and 99s is really weakish to stack off after flop and on turn with 2 overcards showing, if he had AK he would checked and take a free card to hit 9 outs ~ nut str8 and overpair king and ace, yet he betted ~ so was high possibility he has AJ AQ or well lousy ten he didnt wanna let go either, bur with stubborn player and weak holding back off and w8 better spot
nations have play charackter really so :) being a brazilian can mean in my book A x x being low card and playing craps, but few i met play really really well and TAG but both categories dont have fold button included as play option when involved in hand
I think the top of his range is AT/AJ, 77-TT given he snap called my 3b without even thinking of 4betting.
Going back, i'd fold but think we can discount those hands you gave him.
Not my standard play but thought it was ok here.
If anything, I might fire a second barrel but then shut it down even though I rarely do something like that. It's just ... if he calls turn there aren't too many river cards he's folding to. Once we check the turn I feel like that's us hitting the give up button and I don't like blindly check/calling the rest of the way.
I still don't see us inducing hands we dominate very often at all so we're really inducing a huge coin flip the majority of the time ...
Still, i would/should fold going back on it in a $5quad.
Really tough to play postflop when SPR after he calls our cbet is 1. I'd probably just give up on most turns, not because it's an optimal play (hard to guess one without reads), but because the situation sucks, and I'd better spare my stack for something more promising... Maybe someone brave like betudontbet would shove turn and get a ton of folds?
c/r turn was something i came across that i liked as well. Makes a lot of sense even though i really look like AK.
You are using all of these fancy terms in this thread such as leveling, induce, and stuff. Vs someone who is 3xing in a $5 tournament. He is ABC at best and terrible at worst. It's making you play even worse than the weak player who ended up bluffing/clicking buttons without realizing what he was doing in the hand.
The sooner you get stuff like that out of your vocabulary at these stakes, the better off you will be.
I agree I gave him too much credit. Did a HH review of this and I'd rather just fold than do anything else given 1) $5 tournament, 2) I have a pretty good stack, and 3) he 3 x'd. Much rather flat to set mine or hit a good board for my hand and decide later on if he min raised.
I haven't played many of these so was pretty messed up in my judgement.
Consider what could happen. He could fold, well that's a goo thing, we've won a nice little pot preflop. He could all our 3b. Well this isn't great, because the flop will almost always contain at least one over-card to our hand, and we won't have a good idea of if we've got the best hand or not. Along those same lines, we don't have a good feel for the range of hands this opponent will be calling our 3b with. Those two factors will make postflop very difficult for you. Lastly, he could reraise our 3b (he could 4b) and that is bad news for us, because I don't think we beat the range of hands he would do that with.
Let's look at how it actually happened. You 3b, and he called. The flop comes J86ss. What are you thinking at the point? If it was me, I'd be thinking hmm this is an okay flop, but not great. I can cbet and still get called by worse hands some of the time, and give myself a chance to win the pot right there. A queen hits the turn. What are your thoughts here? What are your options? How does your hand compare to your opponents range of hands? When I look at this turn situation, I see him having more hands that beat your 99, than hands your 99 beats. I also don't think he folds many hands that beat yours if you bet, so bluffing seems out of the question. I see no positives to betting in this spot. He now bets. At this point I'm thinking well out of all the hands that make sense for him to have here, more of those hands beat my hand than not, so I should fold to this bet because I'm usually losing. The fact that you called to me suggests that you put him on a flush draw. That is certainly possible, but you must be careful to not get fixated on one possibility. He could easily have a set or top two pair just as he could a flush draw. Let's say he has a flush draw. What are his cards? AsKs? AsJs? AsQs? QsJs? KsQs? AsTs? As you can see from that list, a ton of the flush draw hands he can have also have a pair that have you crushed. On the whole, I think all of this evidence is enough to make this a pretty easy fold here on the turn.
As you play make sure you keep your mind open to all the possible (and likely) hands your opponent could have. Don't just assume he has something you can beat. Also think about what you're trying to accomplish with each bet, including preflop. In poker there are some situations where there isn't a great answer. In this spot calling preflop with 99 doesn't seem that appealing either, as the flop will likely contain an over-card or two. So don't get married to this hand, remember that it's okay to check fold a QT2 flop and wait for a more clear-cut spot down the road.
Thanks a lot for the detailed answer, Nick. I agree 100% and if i could play it over again, i would fold or at least take your suggested lines.
A poorly played hand at the end of the day but a mistake i won't be making again for sure.
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